Agreed. And CF Moto has been around for awhile too. I have one of their scooters which is now 12 years old and it's still going. Fit and finish is crap and there's some silly design features to it (actually that would be a lack of design) but they've put out a lot of product since.Once upon a time we all laughed at Japanese bikes, Kias and Hyundai’s were the bottom of the barrel. Who knows where it’s all going? It doesn’t look like a bad stab at it for starters. Not saying I’m buying one but the bike may have potential. What happens when they get it right?