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I really liked the silver one for some reason, but it got sold the day before I was scheduled to look at it.
No worries, though, because I like the look of the black ones as well (and they're faster, so......). 😂
Kilgore, one thing I would add is when you're looking at a used fjr that's had a topcase used on it, always pull the seats and look back at the subframe by the tail lights for cracking/breaking, it is a $650 repair just for parts.

A "stiffy" made very well by one of our members here will not prevent breaking the subframe, only a givi sr357, or similar Shad tube rack or what I have which is the heavy aluminum Yamaha sourced rack will help. That all said, the stiffy will prevent the broken piece's from littering the highway behind you which is a definite plus !

I had several conversations with Yamaha when the subframe broke on my 14 (the fastest color red) and they were adamant about a max of 7lbs on the rear of the bike unless you used the heavy aluminum rack which bumped things up-to 10lbs.

I've had several people accuse me of overloading my topcase to break it but I can assure you that because of all the warnings from the guy's here I was sensitive to the weight thing and the most I ever carried was my cpap which weighs in at 5lbs. I did have a "stiffy" installed from the start.

Now my opinion is that I think that since the subframe is a cast aluminum piece that maybe some have a "defect" that causes them to break like a thin spot or maybe a carbon track, don't know but most never have a problem but in my opinion the rear subframe is a poor design at best. I believe as well that just riding the bike down the road, hitting bumps, etc that cause the topcase to shake around is a contributing factor to breaking my subframe.

So now that I've thrown that downer out there just do yourself a favor and on a used bike take a look at the subframe under the back cowl before you part with your money.

They are very terrific bikes with a few warts that can really put a smile on your face, and the forum here is loaded up with great people willing to help. Let us know what you buy, maybe a few pictures to go with that.
Thank you very much! That's some good info. Never thought of peeking at the subframe when checking them out. Will do.
 

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buy the '09...did you??? I would have bought that in a heartbeat...
Long story, but I'm about 92% lol
He just made the last payment and he's waiting for the title. He texted me Monday and said they told him 5-7 days and he'd have it. He seems like a good guy (we talked for like 45mins when I test rode it). We settled on the price and he told me to think about it for a few days until he got the title, but until then he'd consider it sold and pull it back in the garage.
I'm looking at the blue 12 today at a dealership, and I'm not even sure why. Probably because the dealer is 5mins from my gf's place (45mins away) and I'm staying with her tonight.
But I have a feeling I'm settled on the black one.
 

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. Probably because the dealer is 5mins from my gf's place (45mins away) and I'm staying with her tonight.
But I have a feeling I'm settled on the black one.
That sounds so strange to me..." my gf's place (45mins away) and I'm staying with her tonight". Been married to the same great woman for 46 years and can't imagine going anywhere to sleep other than in my own bed lol.

But I understand....... have fun :wink2:
 

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. Probably because the dealer is 5mins from my gf's place (45mins away) and I'm staying with her tonight.
But I have a feeling I'm settled on the black one.
That sounds so strange to me..." my gf's place (45mins away) and I'm staying with her tonight". Been married to the same great woman for 46 years and can't imagine going anywhere to sleep other than in my own bed lol.

But I understand....... have fun /forums/images/FJROwners_2015/smilies/tango_face_wink.png
Nah, you don't really understand at all. But that's ok because I don't understand, either. Next thing you know you're 40, your wife is gone, and you're a full time single dad to a 4yo girl.
My daughter's 9 now. GF is 30. I should show you some pics, they're both very cute.
My ex wife never wanted to ride with me. Kinda sad through 20yrs of loving bikes. Her sister did (weird. do not recommend)

My new gf loves to ride, though. She loved my cbr1kf and we've carved some stuff up. Natural rider, too. Like 5'7, 135lbs and follows me just right. 😁
 

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Yea it's great when your partner likes to ride too. My wife and I have toured all over the US, Canada and Europe together for the last 48 years. Glad you found someone that enjoys your passion.

9 year old girl..probably still in the sweet stage. I remember my daughter becoming a teenager. One day she got mad about something, went into her bedroom and didn't come out until 2 years after she got married lol. She's 45 now. Has a 21 year old daughter herself, so now she knows what she put me through ha ha
 

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Yea it's great when your partner likes to ride too. My wife and I have toured all over the US, Canada and Europe together for the last 48 years. Glad you found someone that enjoys your passion.

9 year old girl..probably still in the sweet stage. I remember my daughter becoming a teenager. One day she got mad about something, went into her bedroom and didn't come out until 2 years after she got married lol. She's 45 now. Has a 21 year old daughter herself, so now she knows what she put me through ha ha
Haha.... yeah, she's still in the sweet, her dad's Superman stage. I'm just enjoying it.
And definitely planning on doing some touring. We both have daughters (5 and 9) so we have really limited time, but we'll get there.
I've been some places alone (took a really cool 1800 mile/4 day trip to TN a couple years back.
 

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Oh, and I never even got a chance to look at that blue fjr. They sold it yesterday morning. Some guy picked it up from Pittsburgh.
They had an 07 black cherry one, too, that sold the day before (I wasn't really interested in that one except for the color).
He said it was weird they had them both for over a month and they sold back to back.
My plan was still to get the black 09 anyway, so hopefully the seller doesn't back out and I'll be riding by next week.
 

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Does anyone know the failure rate on that "spider bite" issue? Been reading about it and wondering how prevalent it is on the 09.
I hate electrical issues, especially on bikes.
I do have some oxguard already, though (I'm restoring an old square body Chevy truck and been putting it on a lot of stuff.... haha)
 

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I would do the prevention thing and inspect all the spiders, clean and treat with Oxgard. The failures mostly on earlier ones, but randomly appear, never know when you're gonna get bit..
 

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You guys are not going to believe this.

I picked up the black 09 (12k miles) on Friday.
I ran it, later test rode it, settled on it, picked it up, rode to the title place and home, took a little 30 mile ride, brought it home. All fine, ran great.
Got on it again Saturday morning and spider bite.
Both indicators lit up, high beam indicator on, no headlights, no windscreen motor power.
It was running fine, though. I even took a ride.
Then I tried to start it this morning to diagnose and nothing. Not even a click.

I have it all torn apart in my garage now.
This sucks. Haha
My main concern has come to fruition after like 75miles.
I read the big thread on here and located several of them. Can't seem to find s4, though?
And apparently after jiggling the wires around, it fired right up with no issues. Nothing I've seen yet has been burned or corroded, either.
 

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Im curious how you would ever treat these things with oxguard or noalox, too.
I was under the impression that they were a connection, but they aren't. Where would you even put the oxguard? Under the plastic caps?
 

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You guys are not going to believe this. My main concern has come to fruition after like 75miles. I read the big thread on here and located several of them. Can't seem to find s4, though? And apparently after jiggling the wires around, it fired right up with no issues. Nothing I've seen yet has been burned or corroded, either.
KilgoreTrout,

Then I would guess that you have not found the "problem child" spider, yet. The corrosion would likely be obvious, in a bad spider.

While you are seeing the spiders, you can get silver-bearing (electrically conductive) grease for the spider contacts. Use very little (apply with a toothpick) and only inside the female blade connectors. Don't use it anywhere else but the spiders, because that stuff can migrate, causing weird problems. Good for the spiders, in tiny amounts, though. Pricey stuff, but you need very little.

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I've had very good results scrubbing heavily corroded connectors with AC-50 using an old toothbrush followed by liberal amounts of dielectric grease.
 

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I've had very good results scrubbing heavily corroded connectors with AC-50 using an old toothbrush followed by liberal amounts of dielectric grease.
AC-50 is good stuff, but instead of dielectric (insulating) we want conductive paste in there. Dielectric will seal out moisture and oxygen but it's better applied after you've assembled the spider.
 
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You can clearly see the S4 spider by clicking on the picture below.

For applying goop: I remove the cap, slide a 90 degree pick under the spider and use a finger or thumb secure it to the pick while pulling it out.

https://www.fjrowners.com/forums/9-fjr-technical/120578-ground-spider-comes-home-roost.html
Big 10-4 on pulling the contact out. That's what I need to do, I guess
As for the s4 location, I guess I need to keep digging. I saw 2 other pics that were pretty close to that one, but can't see it on my bike.
 

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I've had very good results scrubbing heavily corroded connectors with AC-50 using an old toothbrush followed by liberal amounts of dielectric grease.
AC-50 is good stuff, but instead of dielectric (insulating) we want conductive paste in there. Dielectric will seal out moisture and oxygen but it's better applied after you've assembled the spider.
I have noalox and oxguard sitting around from other projects. Probably use oxguard.
 
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