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Its just not my year. During our ride to the GP I told the boys I was going to be a good boy and not speed as I was low on points on my licence. True to my word I rode very sedatley.

Well today in the mail I get a speeding ticket. Camera 75 in 60km zone.
Taken on the Alpine Way somewhere. That is three times I have been done recently and every time I did not know I was speeding. Twice its been a 60kph zone stuck in the middle of nowhere and I have not realised it was a 60 zone. Once it was 53 in a 40kph school zone which expired at 9:30am. I got booked at 9.26am (Camera)

I am taking one to court otherwise my 12 points are up and possible licence susdpension. To say I am PISSED OFF is an understatment.

One question I would like to ask. I am finding I am having trouble seeing the speed signes. On the bike I am concentrating on everyting else one needs to look out for when riding and I am missing the speed signes. This only seems to occure in low speed areas where there is a lot happening around you. I have no trouble on the highway or freeways. Anyone else having this problem. I dont have the problem driving the car only on the bike. Perhaps I am more relaxed in the car.
 

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I'm real sorry to hear about your troubles Belly, and I sympathize. I think the basic problem is that the FJR is just so smooth and powerful, and the fairing/screen so good, that you don't get any sensation of speed until you are doing around 140Kph. At least, I don't. I never ride anywhere without breaking the speed limits most of the time.

The main reasons that I have managed to retain my licence are that I live close to work so there is less chance of being caught, and I always go to great lengths to avoid major roads, both in and out of town. This often means that I travel further than neccessary, but it's worth it.

Over the years, I've found that I always ride slower on an unfaired bike because the wind on your body gives you a much greater sensation of speed, even though the bike itself may be just as powerful as the faired bike.

And of course, the other reason is that our cops are not nearly as bad as yours, yet. Our dopey bastards still mostly take the speed pictures from the front rather than the rear, so they don't get our number plates, even though our cameras work just as well from the back. All they have to do is turn them around. At least once a month, the cops complain that the bikies are getting away with speeding, and I shake my head in amazement, and grin with pleasure.
 

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Perhaps you should think of doing what we do in Uk and create a database of speed cameras that show up on TOMTOM gps units .Its saved my licence many times when Jane(TomToms nickname) tells me a gatso at 60 is ahead. Leaves me to concentrate on riding and traffic

The whole database has been collated by drivers and riders on www.pocketgps.co.uk and is better than the commercial ones available
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Most of our cameras are mobile, they move them 3 to 4 times per day, though they are putting in more and more fixed cameras in some states as well.
 

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We do also log the usual mobile sites on the basis better to be warned even if they arent there that day than not know about it
 

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Belly said:
Camera 75 in 60km zone. Taken on the Alpine Way somewhere. That is three times I have been done recently and every time I did not know I was speeding. Twice its been a 60kph zone stuck in the middle of nowhere and I have not realised it was a 60 zone. Once it was 53 in a 40kph school zone which expired at 9:30am. I got booked at 9.26am (Camera)
Just a thought, but how come you have 60 zones 'in the middle of nowhere'? What areas are they exactly?
 

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Belly, sympathies from me. At least I had the pleasure of playing with their Laser. We did spot a camera in a 60 zone at the bottom of the Alpine way before Khancoban (spelling?), also towards the bottom of a reasonably steep downhill, and when we went through I don't believe he had his sign correctly positioned. There's a solicitor called Chris Kalpage in Sydney 9230 0448 who advertises a lot in bike mags.

I've given notice to defend mine, but I'll see what transpires.
 

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Perhaps you should knock the damn things down. I can't think of a more 1984 like scenario than having cameras all over watching your every move, and fining you remotely when your behaviour does not measure up to the guv's standard. The seeds of revolution are planted slowly and carefully.
 

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Been there, done that, got the T shirt, it really, really sucks when you're within a hair of losing your license and you own an FJR. I agree with the earlier comments about the FJR being such a competent platform, that it really doesn't come alive until you're cruising *well* above the posted limits. The problem is, that speeding tickets are not prorated, ie one is not allowed to go faster on a superior machine like the FJR. Can't give you any advise, but this is what I did and it worked for *me*:

1) Admited I am powerless over my addiction to speed and accelleration, and that my life was unmanagable. (Yes, yes, I know...but...)

2) Accepted the sad fact, that as long as I owned an FJR, my license, which is crucial to my livelihod, would constantly be in jeopardy.

3) Reluctantly traded my high performance road rocket for a road sledge, and rode it for 2.5 very pleasureable seasons, and discovered another side of motorcycling.

4) When my license cleared-up, (since I didn't get a single speeding ticket in that 2.5 season duration) I purchased a very competent, but less powerful bike, which is not as easy to flog as an FJR due to torque curve and requires some thought before the wick is lit, and that split second does slow me down, and gives me a moment to think/ask, "Do I want to do this here and now?" Yes, I learned a lesson, damn!

Like I said, this has worked for *me*, and you will have to decide what you're now going to do. I still have my license, never stopped riding a motorcycle, have an *almost* fresh start and am riding and enjoying a sexy, performance oriented sport touring bike again.

Good luck on whatever you decide to do, and my last thought would be to fight it fight it fight it. This startegy worked for me, though it was expensive, as by delaying the conviction I was able to avoid suspension as the earlier points I had amassed expired during the delays I caused.
 

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Belly said:
One question I would like to ask. I am finding I am having trouble seeing the speed signes. On the bike I am concentrating on everyting else one needs to look out for when riding and I am missing the speed signes. This only seems to occure in low speed areas where there is a lot happening around you. I have no trouble on the highway or freeways.
Slow down and you'll have more time to see (signs) and react.

ps: what's a "season"?
 

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This is the type of road the Cops are catching bikes on. They are back roads and only patroled when the cops are targeting bikes, with radar and camera

Not a Fu$#%%^ house or danger in site. 1.5km from town the speed goes from 100 to 60. Cops ping you within 200 meters of entering the speed zone.


This is the middle of Knowhere. :lol:
 

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Belly Here on the other side of the POND we have them too, they put this plastic cover oner the plate and the camera cant figure out the number correctly. Since we only have one plate and its on the rear :lol: . Hope you get it resolved and thats the pits when they put them out there can you say target practice :shock: .
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cameras

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That ought to help Belly if he can get it, I would think they would have something like that there but maybe not since there not allowed guns maybe a slingshot would work :lol: .At least get rid of the cameras and if enough were done in maybe they would get the idea :shock: .
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Belly said:
This is the type of road the Cops are catching bikes on. They are back roads and only patroled when the cops are targeting bikes, with radar and camera

Not a Fu$#%%^ house or danger in site. 1.5km from town the speed goes from 100 to 60. Cops ping you within 200 meters of entering the speed zone.


This is the middle of Knowhere. :lol:
Looks like there are side roads along the way; not completely controlled access. That always lowers a posted limit.
 

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It's never been about safety, but about revenue, as in taxation by other means. Would be one thing if it was a fine and nothing more, but then the insurance companies get on the money wagon and nail you in addition using info they shouldn't have access to in the first place, at least as it applies in speed cases, the most common ticket out there... :evil:
 

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I'm curious as to how many states use cameras? The issue got shot down in Alaska by the state supreme court. It seems that constitutionally you have the right to cross examine your accuser in court and the camera couldn't say s--t under cross examination.
I've seen the signs in Canadian cities about speed cameras and was wondering how many states have them in use? :?:
 

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They use them here in the Phoenix area. They are mobile for the speed cameras and they use red-light cameras too. Scottsdale is just about to install speed camers (Gatso) on the Loop 101 freeway through the Scottsdale area. Someone mentioned 1984 earlier and it applies. This is nothing more than pure revenue generation. I have added a license plate cover and and Escort Radar detector to both my FJR and my Truck.
 

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What would be very cool, is a clear license plate cover that is actually a LCD panel, that can be switched on when needed and displays a ficticious license plate number while hiding the original. Twist the throttle, turn on the LCD plate cover, and let 'em snap away. Roll off throttle and turn panel off to actual plate. Won't beat trolling radar units with forward and rearward facing dopler radar though. Those were the buggers that caught me on 2 lane highways, turned around and chased me down 4 times.
 
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