Absolutely. It looks like Ducati is crying poor ie we can't compete on engine output with a 1000cc V2 but we don't want to spend the money to go into commercial production of the V4. I am probably incorrect but understood the WSB comp bikes and particularly the engines are based on seriously massaged commercial production engines. The reason they can't compete on WSB engine configuration output is they've neglected commercial product development. Ducati can't spend money on high cost racing programs when they don't have the sales figures and income to finance development. If they put some real hp into their production bikes with a 1200cc V4 THEN they would get sales. If they put it into an 06 FZ1, broad usage type bike they would really kick sales goals and have a base for WSB that was right up there.Liquidsilver said:I hope they don't get it. I'd rather see them win or lose with the same displacement.
Same for 2-strokes and 4-strokes in motocross/supercross. 8)
Besides, the 749s in Supersport don't seem to benefit so much from approx 20% more displacement, do they?
There has to be a 'standard,' so build the best configuration to meet that 'standard' and win. Asking for different standards for different configurations is so, so... democrat.
HP to weight, (even with me and loaded bags) my 1000cc v-twin bagger has a significant margin on an FJR1300... which is shackled to 100 extra pounds, despite its 300 extra cubies. So, I could address that issue back at Yamaha.lenz said:If they put some real hp into their production bikes with a 1200cc V4 THEN they would get sales.
Ah - do I hear the sound of some subtle piss-taking or do you really think Ducati is that dominant in WSB ?Mike-H said:Maybe some at Ducati head office looked at the bottom line & thought if they complained enough they could have another shot at dominating WSB...you know just to strengthen the bottom line :twisted:
If you can accept that racing development and competition is often the leading edge of general advances in production bike design what is there to be gained by running "handicap" racing. IMHO maximum 4 stroke engine displacement and minimum bike weight should be fixed for WSB for all engine configurations - then you'd see evolution to the most effective engine configuration PDQ. Marques that can't compete on an even playing field would evolve or else. It would have to be good for the development of production motorcycles. Bring on the V4 Ducati engine for production bikes !woody said:But I think 10% capacity increase would have been fairer due to the extra torque that the Big Vee will be producing.
Let them design radial engines built into the wheels, for all I care... just stay to a standard, and compete on THAT basis. If the standard is CCs, then build and race the best design to meet that standard. If you peddle triples, twins or v-12s... make them compete for CCs... or find a different sport to show them off. Nostalgia is for museums, not for racing.st ryder said:unless we have accommodations to allow for diversity of design, we all suffer as motorcyclists.
It's funny you mention that. I know a female golfer, and she's very good at it. When she plays for score with our male friends, she hits from the same tees. She says it wouldn't be any fun to beat the guys, if she hit from the 'sissy' tees. Also. my sister-in-law can hand me, and my brothers our arses on a tennis court... should we make her play to the double lines to equalize things? Heck no... if one of us wants to beat her, we're going to need to practice more, a lot more.st ryder said:woman golfers tee off many yards ahead of male golfers; weight classes in boxing, etc etc etc etc.
I say, make the rules - THE RULES. And if you're not winning, get your ass back to the design studio... and make this thing run better - whatever it takes. (somebody call Honda about AMA Superbike, please)st ryder said:I say let the rules change to spur further development for all engine and chassis designs, and we all benefit.
Hilarious. You're kidding, right? Again carrying the torch for quotas in racing. Don't forget to allow some new rules for a 2.5 liter turbo single! We must worship diversity! No diversity in tires any more though, eh? And what about girls, we need some girls in there. Gotta be some rules for that.st ryder said:unless we have accommodations to allow for diversity of design, we all suffer as motorcyclists