[Wandering Alien]

That may have been mentioned already, and it sounds like you solved the issue, but ...
I too use a Cardo Pak Talk slim and have been frustrated at volumes for different things. IE: Intercom, Phone, Cardo's AI voice comments / commands (IE: Battery 50%), radio, ... There are controls for different things in the Cardo app when opened on the phone. Adjusting settings from there helped a great deal.
FWIW and YMMV

 

[DesertBike]

Was reading the specs of the Carupuride W702. One of the diagrams shows a "5G chip."

I think they're referring to the WiFi capability, specifically WiFi 5 (802.11ac), which designates the maximum data rates you can expect.

I'm not real clear on what you do with the WiFi for on the Carpuride. Can it be used as a standalone Android tablet, for instance when off the bike?

I'm sure this would be covered in the user manual, but I haven't found a copy of that online yet.

 

[Whooshka]

Looking at the owners manual and it's pretty vague. Looks like after BT pairing to you phone there's a page that says "Turn on the Carpuride screen wifi". Then there's a couple of screen captures that say 1) iPhone searches and choose the wifi'carpuride-xxxx' to connect. 2) Then "Enter the password "666666" click join". And lastly "Connection successful".

I have no clue what that does. Similar but looks more complicated for Android.

 

[cibrd0wn]

Looking at the owners manual and it's pretty vague. Looks like after BT pairing to you phone there's a page that says "Turn on the Carpuride screen wifi". Then there's a couple of screen captures that say 1) iPhone searches and choose the wifi'carpuride-xxxx' to connect. 2) Then "Enter the password "666666" click join". And lastly "Connection successful".

I have no clue what that does. Similar but looks more complicated for Android.

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Wireless CarPlay uses the Bluetooth for initial connection but then transfers the connection to the WiFi. WiFi is needed as the amount of data going from phone to host is greater that what the Bluetooth connection can support.

 

[DesertBike]

Looks like all of my questions are going to get answered, because I bought @Whooshka 's W502.

I may have to order some other bits and pieces to sit it on the RAM ball on my Helibars riser. But that's where I'm going to try to put it. Same place my phone occupies at present.

5" is a little smaller than my phone's screen, but the Carpuride is much brighter, and comes with a sun shade, so I figured it was worth trying.

update: no, looks like the W502 comes with a RAM-like ball on the back, should be able to mount it right up where my QuickGrip XL has been. Sweet.

 

[DesertBike]

Wireless CarPlay uses the Bluetooth for initial connection but then transfers the connection to the WiFi. WiFi is needed as the amount of data going from phone to host is greater that what the Bluetooth connection can support.

Sounds like the Carpuride doesn't have any navigation capabilty of its own; rather, it's more of a display for the phone's navigation feature.

I can live with that, as it's also not nearly as pricey as a dedicated motorcycle GPS. Particularly bought used.

Having a display that is actually sunlight-readable will be nice. That's my bigger problem with phone-as-GPS so far - poor visibility in direct sunlight.

Android Auto is pretty neat. Had it in a couple of rental cars, liked it a lot for finding my way around unfamiliar cities.

I'm not crazy about the way the phone "GPS" (clearly a half-ass implementation vs. a robust standalone GPS) sometimes loses its mind when I'm off the cellular network, but that doesn't happen very often anyway.

 

[Reserector]

Sounds like the Carpuride doesn't have any navigation capabilty of its own; rather, it's more of a display for the phone's navigation feature.

I can live with that, as it's also not nearly as pricey as a dedicated motorcycle GPS. Particularly bought used.

Having a display that is actually sunlight-readable will be nice. That's my bigger problem with phone-as-GPS so far - poor visibility in direct sunlight.

Android Auto is pretty neat. Had it in a couple of rental cars, liked it a lot for finding my way around unfamiliar cities.

I'm not crazy about the way the phone "GPS" (clearly a half-ass implementation vs. a robust standalone GPS) sometimes loses its mind when I'm off the cellular network, but that doesn't happen very often anyway.

You can use other GPS apps on your phone that download regions of maps that you use. That way, they work off-network. Magic Earth is a good, free one. It won't warn you or redirect you around traffic like Google maps will, but you can set it up and familiarize yourself with it as a backup plan. It works with no network whatsoever so long as you preload the maps you will need.

 

[DesertBike]

Yeah it's supposed to work that way, but sometimes doesn't. Even with OSMAnd+. Not sure why.

 

[Reserector]

Yeah it's supposed to work that way, but sometimes doesn't. Even with OSMAnd+. Not sure why.

What is happening?

 

[DesertBike]

OSMAnd+ will completely lose track of my position when I go off the ceullar network sometimes.

it's not a problem with OSMAnd+ itself. I only see it in OSMAnd+ first. Same deal if I switch to Google Maps, or run an app that shows GPS/GLONASS/Galileo data directly (GPS Status app for example).

 

[Reserector]

OSMAnd+ will completely lose track of my position when I go off the ceullar network sometimes.

it's not a problem with OSMAnd+ itself. I only see it in OSMAnd+ first. Same deal if I switch to Google Maps, or run an app that shows GPS/GLONASS/Galileo data directly (GPS Status app for example).

To be clear, are you saying that your phone can lose its GPS function it it goes off of the cell network?

 

[DesertBike]

To be clear, are you saying that your phone can lose its GPS function it it goes off of the cell network?

Exactly. Doesn't always happen, and I don't go off-network very often, so it's been extremely hard to replicate.

Turning off mobile data while otherwise within cellular coverage doesn't seem to have the same effect.

 

[Reserector]

Exactly. Doesn't always happen, and I don't go off-network very often, so it's been extremely hard to replicate.

Turning off mobile data while otherwise within cellular coverage doesn't seem to have the same effect.

What make and model is you phone? I ask because my Galaxy Tab Active3 (tablet) works without network, and my Galaxy S10E has the same GPS abilities, although I never tried the phone off network.

Just trying to figure out what features are needed to use GPS out of network.

 

[DesertBike]

Nokia XR20. It's supposed to have similar nav tech to your Tab Active, plus QZSS and NavIC (Indian GNSS).

Try going off-network with your Tab Active 3 some time, you might be unpleasantly surprised, might not.

Went on a ride with some buddies several weeks ago, and we had a good hour or so segment with little to no cellular coverage. Phone couldn't find its position the whole time. Good thing we knew where we were going, and there was really only one paved road to follow.

I've been through that area before with that phone, as well as with older phones, but they didn't stop tracking position. So I have no idea what's going on.

It's not a loss of GPS signal. My dashcam GPS never stopped tracking.

 

[Reserector]

I dug into the specs for your Nokia and under GPS it says:
GPS: Yes, A-GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO

The Galaxies showed GPS, Glonass, BeiDou, Galileo

I have no idea what is what or what is the best to have for off-grid. Just gathering data.

Try going off-network with your Tab Active 3 some time, you might be unpleasantly surprised, might not.

That's what I am saying. My tablet doesn't even have a sim card. Zero network...ever. It routes just like a Garmin. Pick a destination, tell it to navigate and head out. Take a wrong turn and it recalculates.
I was doing that where my phone had zero bars.

OSNAnd+ should do that for you as well, provided you have the maps stored for that area and your phone GPS does not require network to function.

From the OsmAnd+ site:
"OsmAnd+ is an offline world map application based on OpenStreetMap (OSM), which allows you to navigate taking into account the preferred roads and vehicle dimensions. Plan routes based on inclines and record GPX tracks without an internet connection. "

 

[DesertBike]

Yes, ideally GPS should not require mobile data to function.

A-GPS devices unfortunately can have no meaningful standalone capability. Implementations vary. It depends on the device.

The inconsistent behavior makes it hard to figure out what's going on. Sometimes the phone will keep updating position when off-network, sometimes it won't.

Your Tab Active 3 is always "off-network," if it doesn't have any cellular capability. I suspect you also see no difference when not connected to WiFi (ideally, you wouldn't).

 

[Reserector]

My tablet only connected to WiFi at home for updating purposes.
So, I take back what I said about using an alternative mapping app, since I've learned that not all phones have the type of GPS needed to run it off network.
Nonetheless, the Carpuride should give you the improved visibility that you are looking for while your phone stays safely in your pocket. GPS ability will be as it always has been.
I look forward to reading your review once you get some time on it.

 

[DesertBike]

It's a big head-scratcher that I've been through that exact area before - some time last year, with the same Nokia XR20 - but I don't remember it losing its way then.

Maybe I wasn't using OSMAnd+ that time? It's possible, as I know the route well. I only have the "directions" loaded so I know how far along I am, and roughly when I can expect to arrive home.

In any event, I'm stoked about a screen that is actually usable in sunlight. "Bright and sunny" is almost every day of riding here for me.

 

[DesertBike]

Good news: if you email the Carpuride folks, they'll send you an electronic version of the manual. Got mine today.

 

[DesertBike]

Because USPS sat on it for an extra day or two for no obvious reason, I don't have my W502 yet. Supposedly, later today.

In the meantime:

Is it the case that the Carpuride units have no built-in battery of any kind, so they need a constant 12V power supply?

It looks that way, as there's no battery mentioned in the manual, or any charging procedure mentioned.

Not necessarily a bad thing, if true. I can think of ways to power the W502 off-bike if needed.