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I just recieved 2 Nolan N102's today and my first ride was pretty good.
The flip-up design is handy and the visor is wider than my other one.
I'll see tomorrow how they do in hot temperatures but so far so good.
 

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I have had the Nolan flip up helmet for several years and really like them. I recently bought the N102 in Atlantic blue and it is avery close color match to the new 06 FJR.

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I have an article somewhere that warns against flip open style helmets. They reference several accidents where people have had severe head injuries due to the flip hinge smashining into the temple area of the persons head. If I find the article I'll post it but it makes sense that the hinge takes up space between the shell and the persons head. I like the idea of a flip up helmet but after reading this article I will not buy one. It still boils down to personnel choice.
 

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Word is Fran Crane had some issue with a Nolan flip up helmet at the time of the crash which led to her death.

A flip face helmet is essentially a churched up 3/4 helmet. Even the manufacturers report is that it only offers that sort of protection, not the same as a full face. Hey, if I'm getting off at speed I want something substantial separating my face from the pavement: don't need to be a Ben Rothlisberger wannabee. For me? Arai Quantum II...if it's good enough for professional AMA racers, it's good enough for me. I don't wanna hear about the cost involved. I know what neurosurgeons charge and believe it...the Arai is a better deal. :wink:
 

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I had a Caberg flip once, only kept it until one side of the front fell off at speed; nearly crapped myself trying to hold it on while I slowed down.
 

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On my 3rd N100. Been using them for about 8 years. When each was new I had a pressure point on the front of my forehead that I fixed by using the convex side of a tablespoon to press-form a relief area in the liner at that one spot. Ride for a while, feel the pressure, next break pull out the tablespoon and press-form a little more. Rinse and repeat. A few rides like that and all was good. One N100 saved my noggin in a spill that had me landing on my topknot. Retired that one and got another, and now the 3rd.

I now have an X1002 that is ready for when I retire this N100 (soon). Drop down shade visor, etc. Build quality of the N100's was fine but this one is even better.

Word is Fran Crane had some issue with a Nolan flip up helmet at the time of the crash which led to her death.
You have your words wrong, then. Fran's wreck had her okay and in the hospital with a concussion and under observation for the night. Through a "medical misshap" someone at the hospital hooked her up with an IV solution containing a blood thinner instead of the prescribed, basic, saline solution. The blood thinner caused severe bleeding around the brain (at the site of the concussion) and she died as a result. I remember the blow-by-blow reports coming in from Walter at the time and we were looking forward to her being released the next day when we got the shocking news of her death.

Are flip faced helmets as good as full faced? Snell hasn't tested them yet because they've not been submitted. Snell doesn't have a test defined for flip faced helmets, so they would be tested as full faced models. Most people, once they've considered the design comparisons would agree that they (most likely) won't be as protective as a rigid full faced design. But they are (most likely) to provide more protection than a half or 3/4 helmet. But all such considerations are speculative at this time. According to Harry Hurt, anything beyond DOT may be over doing it for street use and actually end up creating a helmet that is too rigid for its intended purpose.

As with all things, do your own research and make your own choices based on your level of acceptable risk.

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wind noise with any helmet, shield, etc. is addressed with proper use of ear plugs. even the quietest helmets expose the rider to air pressures that can damage your hearing. don't wait until it's too late like some of the earlier generations did.
 

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Flips rule for me (good quality one's anyway) cannot even contemplate of touring with full face now.
 

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I recently purchased the N102 Nolan and have logged about 8k miles. The wind noise is not bad but since this is my first full face helmet (always rode with 3/4) I can't make a comparison to regular full face vs. flip noise.

I will note that in Florida, it is nice to be able to flip up the helmet at a stop in 95 degree weather. These babies are hot when closed and I don't know how some riders can do it.

The sun visor on this helmet is great! Optically correct and I use it alot in Florida. The downside is that if you flip it up, I notice it blocks the top air vent. Not bad though as the two chin vents seem to get air moving at speed.

Overall, I really like it and I'm glad I got the Nolan in Flip-up fashion. It is working for me.
 

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Like the post before I doubt the nolan is a good as a rigid full face but living in FL I believe the best helmet is the one you will wear and I would not use a rigid full face in this heat. Having the flip up is a live saver(sorry) and I came from the cruiser world where a ball cap or du rag would be my only protection. I am on my first nolan and although the venting and noise reduction aren't great I plan on getting the one with the shaded visor next. Good luck and ride safe. Everett
 

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Just rode 150 miles tonight and as I rode passed the packed speedway during the Pepsi 400, I had the helmet flipped up because of the heat.
So far I really like this helmet and here in Daytona it's rare to see anyone wearing a helmet.
So I will flip it up at stoplights and also the shield has a nice spot for air when opened to the first position. It allows circulation with about 1/2 inch opening.
Ride safe!
 

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Although I'd love to try a Nolan flipper, there's only one problem: They don't come big enough! God bless you, Mr Shoei, without whose care and attention I would not be able to ride a motorcycle, unless I lived in one of those backward parts of the USA where the wearing of said headware is not compulsory...
 

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unless I lived in one of those backward parts of the USA where the wearing of said headware is not compulsory...
We're not backwards! We've simply seperated church and state properly and are allowing the laws of evolution to take their course. The stupid will die (hopefully before breeding), and the species will improve as a result. If he's dumb enough to ride without a helmet, and she's dumb enough to marry him anyway...

I'm not required to wear any protective gear at all (and indeed see many members of the no shirt, shorts, sandals crowd riding around); but that doesn't stop me from wearing a full set of Aerostitch Darien gear, a full face helmet (pretty well covered in SOLAS tape), gloves and motocross boots (almost) every time I get on the bike.

I am so tired of having my right to do as I please legislated to protect the dumbest people. Coffee is hot, saws cut, falling off ladders hurts, sparky bits are best left to proffesionals... It's not that hard folks.
 

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There is no responsibility anymore...
Temporary insanity, voices in my head, societies pressure, whatever excuse to make us believe you aren't responsible.

When I broke my daddy's window he would say "it didn't break itself...who's responsible???"

The weak and wimpy who get their feelings hurt are making our laws.

Free speech??? Try saying a derogitory term to a co-worker or a different race and see what happens!

Society wants to censor what we can/can't say.

There's a case in Florida where a white boy beat up a black boy. They were friends who got into a scuffle.
The white boy definitley should have been punished.
But they tried his case on discrimination saying that he only fought because the other kid was black. Specialists were brought in to decide what the boy was "thinking" when he hurt the other boy.

It's sad when you can be tried for what society thinks is in your head.

I try to govern myself for what is right or wrong. That's how I was raised and that's how I raise my kids.
I wear a helmet because common sense says road harder than head.
I don't need laws to help me decide what's best for me as I ride...just common sense.

Sorry for the rant.
 

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I've been using the Nolan X-Lite 1002 for about a year now........I Love it !!!
 

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Nolan N102 Flip up

I have had the Nolan N102 flip up since May's trip to BOSS 2006 at the Blue Ridge Motorcycle Campground in North Carolina. Also just got back from a week in Eastern Ky at Jenny Wiley State Resort Park riding the beautiful Kentucky mountain roads with the Robinson Riders. Prior to the Nolan, I used the inexpensive but highly ranked for safety, Fulmer full face. I like both helmets. The thing I really like about the Nolan N102 is the convenience if you are wearing glasses. The VPS shaded half shield is really nice for cruising and extra eye protection. But, I flip it up in the twisties, especially where you are moving in and out of shadows. Anyway, I recommend the helmet for most general condition riding. If I was going to a track day, I would opt for a full face helmet. How much of your riding is track day riding? Anyway, I think it is a great helmet. It does seem to get a little more wind noise than the full face. But, like someone else said, on a longer trip of 1 or more hours, you should wear ear plugs anyway. Most hearing damage comes from extended periods of higher decibal sound. :shock:
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Wess said:
unless I lived in one of those backward parts of the USA where the wearing of said headware is not compulsory...
We're not backwards! We've simply seperated church and state properly and are allowing the laws of evolution to take their course. The stupid will die (hopefully before breeding), and the species will improve as a result. If he's dumb enough to ride without a helmet, and she's dumb enough to marry him anyway...

I'm not required to wear any protective gear at all (and indeed see many members of the no shirt, shorts, sandals crowd riding around); but that doesn't stop me from wearing a full set of Aerostitch Darien gear, a full face helmet (pretty well covered in SOLAS tape), gloves and motocross boots (almost) every time I get on the bike.

I am so tired of having my right to do as I please legislated to protect the dumbest people. Coffee is hot, saws cut, falling off ladders hurts, sparky bits are best left to proffesionals... It's not that hard folks.
Here here! Our Founding Fathers need not totally give up in despair, there ARE a few people left in this country who remember the definition of the word "Liberty" from school. I had thought the bible-thumping censorship-loving big-brother we-know-better-for-you electorate had weeded the last of them out except me and stolen their retirement accounts away to the next up and coming Enron...
 

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I am so tired of having my right to do as I please legislated to protect the dumbest people. Coffee is hot, saws cut, falling off ladders hurts, sparky bits are best left to proffesionals... It's not that hard folks.
I agree with everything you say, except the "coffee is hot" business. This refers to the lawsuit against McDonalds by a woman who spilled coffee on herself and sued. The press has portrayed this as yet another "unreasonable" lawsuit.

The facts of the case give a different view of this. It was proven in this case that McDonald's superheated their coffee. It wasn't just hot. It was kept very near boiling. The woman in question required three skin grafts to repair the damage done by the burns in her, um, lap area.

McDonald's had already been sued several times over this and lost each time, so they knew this was a problem. For business reasons they decided to continue their policies. Something like Ford continuing to produce rear-gas-tanked Pintos when they know there was a rear-end explosion problem; they just figured what they saved in not having to fix the car exceeded what they'd have to pay out in lawsuits over incinerated family members.

You may disagree, but I think that there's a difference between serving coffee that's hot, and maybe that will burn my tongue a little, and coffee that will melt my flesh if it spills in my lap.

Other than that, I think your position on helmet laws and other such maternalistic legislation is as well-stated as I've heard.

There's a saying in management circles: Manage to the rule, not the exception. All this momism manages to the exception. Passing laws to protect stupid people from themselves is fundamentally anti-American. Worst of all, it doesn't work. By definition you can't stop stupid people from behaving stupidly.

Much of this legislation is money-driven. Helmet makers sell more helmets in helmet-law states. Insurance companies make smaller payouts in momism states.
 
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