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post #21 of 67 (permalink) Old 09-09-2020, 05:28 PM
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FJR is clutchless shift ain't it? Can't recall whether I clutchless shifted on the test ride or not.

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Lol.
I watched a video from Two Wheel Obsession, about converting a pre 2016 FJR to the slipper clutch.
Anbody done that?
Looks simple enough.

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Do you all ever speed downshift without using your clutch?

I had a friend who would always up and down shift at the speed matching RPM, without pulling in his clutch. He would only use his clutch to start off, from a dead stop.

Now, it was a 1978 Yamaha XS11G!

I have never tried it on Orion.
It is impossible to match speed to RPM unless you pull the clutch. So, any gear change without using the clutch, up or down, requires the engine and transmission to make an instantaneous change in RPM to suit the new gear. This causes a massive smack through the entire system, and risks chipping gear teeth, bending gear selector forks, and damaging the clutch. You can get away with doing this on light bikes, like motocross or enduro bikes, but I would not do it on large, heavy, road bikes, which have large inertia in the engine parts.

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Yeah, I am not interested in doing that.

I have no problem pulling in the clutch lever. Especially after rebuilding the clutch master and slave cylinders!!! OMG, so much better!!!
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FJR is clutchless shift ain't it? Can't recall whether I clutchless shifted on the test ride or not.
You might want to add that statement to your signature line so when you post your questions about your bike jumping out of gear or being noisey when shifting or not wanting to shift, people will know how to answer. Just a very bad idea imho.
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I always down shift whether engine braking or not. Just a habit from the old days. Muscle memory takes over although there have been some pucker moments over the years where as others have stated there is just no time so grab and pray for the best.
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If done properly, clutchless upshifts won't hurt a thing. I've done it with cars and motorcycles. It's much smoother and faster on bikes.

Ari Henning does know a thing or two about riding and working on motorcycles.


As far as downshifting while braking, I always do it so it's a normal habit, just like upshifting when I'm accelerating.
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I wish I could tell you that I know what to do in panic situations but I do not know what I am going to do until it happens PLUS I am amazed how many thoughts can go thru your head before it all turns to crap.

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The real situation in which braking/swerving is needed cannot be duplicated somewhere in a parking lot. It's called panic stop for a very good reason, and it will always remain just that. That is why in a real situation the brain does not have enough time to process/assess anything. It takes but a second to react and usually we follow the instinct in its raw form. We'll grab a whole lot of brake, we'll never look for an escape route and we will always fixate on the object we need to avoid. It is human nature. There's absolutely nothing one can do about it. No amount of training will eliminate the odds of getting hurt If for a reason or another one can dodge a tight situation and come out unharmed is pure luck. It is because it just wasn't your time to go or to get badly injured.

I've seen people withe centuries of experience, professionals of the sport of motorcycling being totally powerless in the face of a panic stop.

But one can dream of the unicorn and the fairy tales of childhood. It adds the much needed mental comfort to think that somehow we're in control because of our "skills", real or not.
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The real situation in which braking/swerving is needed cannot be duplicated somewhere in a parking lot. It's called panic stop for a very good reason, and it will always remain just that. That is why in a real situation the brain does not have enough time to process/assess anything. It takes but a second to react and usually we follow the instinct in its raw form. We'll grab a whole lot of brake, we'll never look for an escape route and we will always fixate on the object we need to avoid. It is human nature. There's absolutely nothing one can do about it. No amount of training will eliminate the odds of getting hurt If for a reason or another one can dodge a tight situation and come out unharmed is pure luck. It is because it just wasn't your time to go or to get badly injured.

I've seen people withe centuries of experience, professionals of the sport of motorcycling being totally powerless in the face of a panic stop.

But one can dream of the unicorn and the fairy tales of childhood. It adds the much needed mental comfort to think that somehow we're in control because of our "skills", real or not.


Each to their own But I disagree with your line of thought.
Practise creates muscle memory. Muscle memory takes over in a panic situation.
If what your saying is true than a new inexperienced rider has the same chance as a well experienced rider.
Luck usually has nothing to do with it.


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