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It used to be popular to tell anyone who had any pain or discomfort from a bad riding position that it was their fault, and then tell them some silly **** about the myrp (master yoda riding position). Good posture is important. But poor ergonomics are poor ergonomics.

I came to my first FJR (2014) from a bike with a nearly perfect riding position. I hoped to be as comfortable on the FJR as I was on the RT. They looked fairly similar on cycle ergo. Alas, the forward lean was not going to work at all. Nor was the cramped knee position.

Helibars and MCL lowering brackets made all the difference. Superb comfort.

100,000 FJR miles later, and I don’t use peg lowering brackets any more. I intentionally waited before ordering heli’s for the 2018. I wanted to see if I still felt the same way about the stock bar position.

I liked everything about the stock position, except that I always had a nagging pain between my shoulder blades. If I rode every day, even a little, the nagging crick never went away. So new helis were in order.

I have a custom Laam seat. I will not do long miles without it. But for every day riding, even mountain rides lasting all day long, I use a Yamaha comfort seat.

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Good idea but more complicated. I trade in bikes every few years do to millage. 08 FJR1300 -> 13 Concours 14 -> 18 Vstrom -> 18 FJR1300
Now I know what I was missing. From the original post I thought you went directly from an 08 FJR to the 18. Vstrom is a much more upright and open seating position so itís now easy to see why youíre struggling on the FJR. Hope you can sort it out because the FJR is a great bike.
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Now I know what I was missing. From the original post I thought you went directly from an 08 FJR to the 18. Vstrom is a much more upright and open seating position so itís now easy to see why youíre struggling on the FJR. Hope you can sort it out because the FJR is a great bike.



Yes the Vstrom was great but I love the FJR1300. The Vstrom is like a Toyota Camry, does everything well all day all the time but its a Camry.... The FJR stirs my emotions and makes me excited. I park her outside my office and walk by every hour to look at her.
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There is one thing I wish Yamaha would try and copy from the Germans, and that is "ridding ergonomics", any bmw I rode was very comfortable without any mods. Also bmw seats are narrow at the front so you don't have your legs spread wide like a cowboy ridding a horse.

FJR's small lean forward is NOT good because there is no wind in the chest to push the body backwards and to release the pressure from your wrists.
Even with the MV Mottorad plate I still experience a small lean forward and it's not completely comfortable spine position (although better then without the plate). Yamaha! - FJR buyers are not exactly 20yr old and pain free kids.
This is the single biggest reason I moved to the RT. Even with the Motorrad riser I still felt I was leaning forward and would get back/should pain. My used 2016 RT came with Illium Works risers and I actually removed them as I have long arms and felt I was leaning backwards. If Yamaha would address the ergos, I would have stayed with the FJR.

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According to cycle-ergos, forward lean angle RT=2, ST1300 = 8, FJR=11 degrees with FJR having a little more bent knees and hips. I had the Helibar riser plate with the bars in the middle position and ended up in the most forward position. I've found back issues are helped by actually leaning forward slightly (I'll guess 3-5 degrees), elbows bent slightly and back straight... you have to train yourself to do this...... kinda sorta some of the Master Yoda thing... try it on a long trip while you're cruising along. Bending the elbows a bit from the locked position is quite good if you haven't tried it. Other factors, windshield and your height.
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Sorry to hear about your back pain issue.

I haven't yet tried an aftermarket seat; but I do have the comfort seat and swap those out for longer rides.

Owned my 2009 now for about 6 months or so and it does come to mind that I catch myself straightening my back out during rides.
For some reason my mind recognizes my posture and I adjust often.
My only issue I've experienced so far is my knees are tight when I get off after more than an hour.

I have clutch knee from my job after 31 years so that is something caused prior to the FJR.

Any pain is an issue.
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Hope the best for you going forward!
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Cycleergo made me (incorrectly) conclude that the seating position on an fjr wasn’t that different from an RT. Oy vey, they are very different, and no seating position will make them similar. That takes hardware.

Like ray points out above, not riding with locked elbows helps. For full on distance rides, of course I ride all the way back part of the way, but if I stay that way, it makes me stiff. Riding with bent elbows keeps me relaxed.
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It used to be popular to tell anyone who had any pain or discomfort from a bad riding position that it was their fault, and then tell them some silly **** about the myrp (master yoda riding position). Good posture is important. But poor ergonomics are poor ergonomics.

I came to my first FJR (2014) from a bike with a nearly perfect riding position. I hoped to be as comfortable on the FJR as I was on the RT. They looked fairly similar on cycle ergo. Alas, the forward lean was not going to work at all. Nor was the cramped knee position.

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100,000 FJR miles later, and I donít use peg lowering brackets any more. I intentionally waited before ordering heliís for the 2018. I wanted to see if I still felt the same way about the stock bar position.

I liked everything about the stock position, except that I always had a nagging pain between my shoulder blades. If I rode every day, even a little, the nagging crick never went away. So new helis were in order.

I have a custom Laam seat. I will not do long miles without it. But for every day riding, even mountain rides lasting all day long, I use a Yamaha comfort seat.

Master Yoda is Dick Franz - a close friend of mine.


His technique is one that has saved my low back for 10's of thousands of miles.


I still pull 1000-1100 mile days because of it.
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I ended up taking a Dremel to the bottom of my seat pan after I had my Laam made and was able to lower it an inch, which really helped quite a bit.


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Ok, you cannot be just throwing that out there - more info please ?

Ive struggled with back pain my whole life, probably due to a gymnastics coach that looked the other way and failed to stop my 12 yr old ass from crashing to the floor, but mostly due to bad posture if i was going to diagnose myself. I find when riding, that i slouch a lot and am always mentally correcting myself to straighten up !
I bought one of these https://www.backaline.com/ and if i slouch when using it, the edges dig into my ribs which wakes up my tired little mind, so it works.

On the hip replacement front, i believe symptoms can indeed be felt elsewhere on the body. A good friend of mine has, by his own admission, the ugliest knees ever installed on a human. He has always had problems with them and had many orthopedist practitioners try to help him, unsuccessfully until one of them took a look at his hip and advised replacement. He did, and all his knee issues have gone away ! He never would have dreamed he had a hip problem.

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That is very cool. Good riding posture and a bike adjusted for proper ergonomics have allowed me to do over 1,600 miles in a day. Little things can make a huge difference.
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His technique is one that has saved my low back for 10's of thousands of miles.


I still pull 1000-1100 mile days because of it.
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