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I just got back from my local dealer/service department and they said the new Road 5 GT is out, link below. It is the same tire I really like on my Z900 with that very deep tread pattern. Supposedly the side wall went from radial to bias ply so it now can handle the weight of bikes like the FJR. The dealer says Michelin claims, for what is it worth, that a 5GT after 3500 miles will have the same tread depth as a new 4GT. I am leaving skid marks to have it put on and will provide thoughts going forward.

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IIRC Michelin’s statement claims the Road 5 will have at 3500 miles as good of wet traction as a new Pilot Road 4. Is not the same as tread depth. Plus must take with grain of salt because it is a very vague statement. Consider a new PR4 may not have very good wet traction until after it has broken in for several hundred miles? Michelin’s statement would still be true but not mean what one expected.
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I just put a PR4 GT on my Superduke only because it was all I could get spur of the moment. I was on a three day trip and it did not look like I would make it home on the current tire. I also ran a set of R5s on my FJR. The R5 gave me over 10,000 for me on the rear, which shattered my previous record, but the front had other problems.

The PR4 GT I put on my Superduke only has about 800 miles on it, but it shows no indication of bad wear.
I gave said before there seems to be two different lots of R5 out there. Most seem to get the fast wearing tire, a few get great service.

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As an aside the Shinko Verge II I put on the back last fall has is wearing more than I think it should (Heavy right hand! ) and if it goes 6-7000mi i’ll Be surprised as the harder center is showing more wear than I think it should, but in all honesty I only paid about $80 for it (i’mcheap) and other than the wear seems to work well.
The Verge II of which you speak is the 016? I only got 4755 miles out of my rear, 3593 on front. Only tire that rode bad enough I was happy to take them off but waited until bald.

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I believe the Verge is a sport compound and the Raven 009 is the sport touring compound and will last longer.

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I believe the Verge is a sport compound and the Raven 009 is the sport touring compound and will last longer.
Either way the Shinko Verge 2x 016 was an awful tire. The only thing it did well was hold air. Steered heavy. Felt like it slid on anything.

IIRC it is Shinko's dual compound tire, hence the 2x. I'm coming around to not liking dual compound tires. Might think otherwise if I spent more than 1 in 100 miles on interstate.

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The Verge 2x that I put on my bike was advertised as a longer lasting sport/touring tire, it is a dual compound tire (harder in the center) and quite frankly seems ride and handle perfectly fine, just doesn’r Seem to be wearing well.

Now keep in mind that it is on the back so any squirrely handling may be minimized, and also because of the clutch slipping problem I had earlier this year i’ve been pretty hard on the throttle (just checking for clutch slip, right&#128540 so we all know that with the torque, h-power and weight of the fjr that’s a combination for wearing the rear tire faster. So i’ll Reserve judgement for a while.

The Shinko advance 005 that I replaced with the Verge 2x lasted around 12k if memory serves me correctly which I thought was good and at less than 1/2 the price of a Michelin I won’t complain. And ill add that the shinko’s Have done everything that i’ve Asked with no issues, so I say buy what you want, but in my opinion the Shinko tires are a option to consider.

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I gave said before there seems to be two different lots of R5 out there. Most seem to get the fast wearing tire, a few get great service.
I worked for quite a few years for major manufactures of electrical cable. TheY extrude a lot of various “rubber” compounds. I understand the quality checks that they have in place to assure that they meet very specific standards. I find it highly unlikely that a manufacture like Michelin would have that kind of variance.

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I worked for quite a few years for major manufactures of electrical cable. TheY extrude a lot of various “rubber” compounds. I understand the quality checks that they have in place to assure that they meet very specific standards. I find it highly unlikely that a manufacture like Michelin would have that kind of variance.
Yes, but I don't know of any other way to explain how some get fantastic service from an R5 and others so bad? The variation is much greater than usual.

A friend bought two sets of R5s when his favorite PR4 disappeared from warehouses. The experience with R5 was so bad he bought a set of PR4GT to replace the first R5 set while the 2nd R5s are sitting in his garage unmounted... and he doesn't like GT, says it rides too hard, but that dislike isn't as much as his dislike for R5.

Then I was talking to my favorite dealer who found the PR4 was available again and at 2016 prices. So I have his set of not-GT PR4s in my garage waiting on his PR4GTs to wear out (likely February).

My friend typically gets 11,000 miles on a rear PR4 but got 7,000 on the R5 and hated the way it rode the last couple thousand. Can't say I know what his tire pressure discipline is. In the past he stated he doesn't inflate until pressure drops to 32 PSI. Yet he has always gotten 10% or more tire life than I, same tires, 2014 in Sport mode vs my 2016 in Touring. Then again my tires ride nearly perfectly to the end and new tires are always a big improvement for him.

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My last ride was a '97 CBR1100XX Blackbird. For my last set of tires, I put on Metzeler Sportec M7 rr's. I saved some money and I really loved them. I plan to put a set on my FJR in the Spring. I tend to not expect more than 6k for a set. I did take a rather long trip with the M7's --- Cincinnati to Utah and back. I was pleased with the wear and really like the feel.
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The Shinko advance 005 that I replaced with the Verge 2x lasted around 12k if memory serves me correctly which I thought was good and at less than 1/2 the price of a Michelin I won’t complain. And ill add that the shinko’s Have done everything that i’ve Asked with no issues, so I say buy what you want, but in my opinion the Shinko tires are a option to consider.
I know a guy that swears by them on his FJR (another slow red one, by coincidence, and he's not too far from you). I never really thought of trying the Shinkos until I got this Honda, which came with a brand new set.. I am quite impressed with the grip, handling and even wear, and I haven't been easy on them. I don't think one can go wrong trying a set and saving a bunch of money.

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