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post #1 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-26-2019, 07:25 PM Thread Starter
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Yet another top case support bracket question

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I'm a newbie to this forum but have been thoroughly enjoying the shear volume of expertise about these machines that we all share a common love for. I picked up my 2015 ES model about a month and a half ago and have enjoyed every minute on it. For such a heavy bike, it is incredibly nimble and responsive and just a pleasure to ride.

I'm beginning the "Farkling" process as it's called here on the forum, and among the first things I wanted to get was a top case. I think I've settled on the Givi 56L Monokey from Revzilla. My question is in regards to the supporting rack. I keep reading about needing the SR357 top case rack to avoid the possible structural damage to the rear-end of the bike, but is that necessary on the newer models? The rack that came with the bike seems to be pretty solid.

The second part of my question is, if the rack that comes with the bike isn't good enough to hold a top case already, what is it's purpose? It seems to be designed to have something snap on it, but if it's not a top case, what is it?

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i’m honestly not sure what the stock rack is good for, maybe for bungeeing down a small soft bag. Most (including me) will say go with the SR357 and don’t overthink it. It’s cheap insurance. The subframe on FJR’s (the 2013+models are no exception), are known to be prone to failure if loaded with a heavy top case over an extended period of time. If you do go with the SR357, be aware that you may have to work a bit with the plastic spacers that bolt between the rack and the bike, for whatever reason they seem to be short in the kits, I know mine were. I had to add a couple of thin washers to get the right height on each spacer so as to not overstress the anchor points when tightening down the bolts. Givi may have sorted this out in recent production though as it was a known problem. I seem to recall TWO did a video on this issue.
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The stock "rack" that came on your '15 was a beautifully painted piece of plastic. It looks substantial but isn't. If that's not what you have now, something has been done to the bike already.


The real issue is that the rear subframe is not as strong as it could be. The extra weight of a top case bouncing around back there can break the subframe and you will NOT like that.


The Givi SR357 is a nice metal frame that spans across the common break point of the subframe. It will strengthen the rear of the bike and support the top case nicely.


It is worth mentioning the SHAD now builds a mount that is similar to the SR357 and that Yamaha offers an aluminum tail rack that also serves the same purpose.


Best pic I could find of the original "tail rack":





This is the SR357. Note the steel tubing.








The Givi V47 Tech top case:





I can see how you might want a lot of capacity and many folks do just fine with the bigger cases. I prefer the Givi V46 and V47 for how they look on the bike.


The '15 has the V47 and Pop's '07 has the V46:


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+1 on the V47...thats what I have on my 15ES and it looks just right in terms of size and shape on the bike, and has ample capacity.
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Get the genuine Yamaha 50L case and the Yamaha alloy rack. Its the best solution. Remember - quality is remembered long after price is forgotten.
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Thanks for the great pics, Redfish! They're very helpful.
I'm not opposed to getting the rack, just wondering if this was sort of a "known issue" that maybe Yamaha addressed during one of their model year changes. I had read in one of the threads that the SR357 has a very rough finish, but the one in your pictures looks great to me.
The rack in your first photo is definitely the rack that I have, and I have probably foolishly assumed that it was designed to hold stuff.

On a separate topic, do you find that you can stuff two helmets into the 46L or 47L box? I'm planning on doing a lot of two-up riding with my lady and was looking forward to being able to stow two people's riding gear and not have to worry about carrying everything around with me when we get to where ever we're going.

That's a nice burgundy color on your pop's bike. You don't see many of these bikes with that color.

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I ponied up for the OEM alloy rack and 50l case...way over priced but the case looks like it belongs on the bike and the rack looks good without the case on it...it’s only money
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Yikes on the price!!

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Get the genuine Yamaha 50L case and the Yamaha alloy rack. Its the best solution. Remember - quality is remembered long after price is forgotten.
I agree that the Yamaha 50L case is undoubtedly the preferred solution. It certainly, in my opinion, looks the nicest on the bike, as it was specifically designed for the bike. The fact that it can be keyed to the rest of the bike is a big major plus also.

But that $1000 price tag is a little daunting to me, and there is other farkling to get to....

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But that $1000 price tag is a little daunting to me, and there is other farkling to get to....
It doesnt all have to happen at once.

Ask yourself what youll be happiest with in the years to come when you have the benefit of hindsight, and the perspective of if only id have spent the extra few dollars back then...

IMO the primary reason people by the aftermarket cases and racks these days (since Yamaha released the new alloy rack) is price. I stick by my statement - quality is remembered long after price is forgotten, but then im someone who will wait and buy the best product I can, rather than sacrifice quality for now. YMMV.
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The "Best Looking" is strictly a matter of opinion. Each person likes what they like. At the time I bought my '15 the Yamaha mount for their top box was pathetic. I followed FJRs with that top box vibrating and shaking... Plus the older version was double walled and did not have the interior capacity to match the external dimensions.


I much preferred the Givi offerings up to the recent 50Liter top case. To my eyes the 50Liter is just a bit too bulky. A nice case and beautifully color matched, just not appealing to me. Pop looked at it and refused to have it anywhere near his FJR. Again, we each like what we like.


If money was going to prevent me from setting up my bike the way I want it, I would take up another hobby. Cost was not a factor in my choice of top box, it was looks, capacity and weight. I am not criticizing anyone else for their choices, I simply believe that we must each decide what is Best for ourselves.


The Black Cherry color is unique to the 2007 year model.


I would not count on putting two full face helmets in the V46 or V47. It might work or it might not. Will definitely work on the larger Givi boxes. I cannot speculate on the Yamaha 50 liter box. A SHAD SH50 will hold two full face helmets and again, they do offer a very nice mount similar to the SR357.




A few beauty shots of the Givi boxes...








Every FJR in this group of 6 has a Givi top box of one size or other:








The SR357 that was on Pop's '07...








Was still in perfect shape and I transferred it to the new bike where it is still doing just fine.



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