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When engine is cold it shows a lower redline. When engine warms up redline goes to full rpm which I think is 8500:

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Jim, These bikes are about the same weight as the FJR. 635 lbs. with full fuel. They feel lighter I think because the weight is carried lower on the bike with the horizontal opposed engine.
I thought they were less. I have not looked at them in a while. Maybe I’m thinking of the GS. I can tell you the RT I rode felt significantly lighter. Probably because of the low center of gravity.
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I thought they were less. I have not looked at them in a while. Maybe I’m thinking of the GS. I can tell you the RT I rode felt significantly lighter. Probably because of the low center of gravity.
615lbs. Feels like less because of lower centre of gravity. Easier to ride than the FJR.
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Thank you all for commenting on this thread. There is some really good information, opinions, and experiences mentioned!

My original intent was never to exude this emotion: " It's a sad, pitiful person that feels the need to belittle others to make himself feel better ."

I don't hate any bikes. My attitude has always been as long as you are on 2 wheels, we are good.

My friend is going to buy this bike, and was showing it to me. He was proud that he made the decision, and I am happy for him. He will be riding again after a long hiatus and that makes me happy.

And my nature is to find humor, and snark wherever I can, not to be malicious, but to just have a little fun... And if one were to get to know me, and not judge me blindly, by a line on a computer screen, they might find my good nature to be true.

I just found it funny that the 2021 BMW is bragging about features, that the FJR has had for many years, and that Yamaha has executed effectively. My intention was to never belittle anyone. Again, if you knew me, you would know that.

If I have offended anyone, by this original posting, I am sorry. I do not ever want to rustle any feathers...

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Just looked in my owners' manual. The redline on these bikes changes with the engine temperature. When the engine reaches full operating temp, the redline no longer moves. FYI...
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The service cost for BMW vs Yamaha will keep me away from the BMW's.
I had a 2008 R1200GS prior to purchasing my 2012 Tenere.
Don't miss the $$$ spent just to maintain the bike.
The BMW 'R' bikes are very simple to maintain. The valve train is very easy to access, no throttle body sync required and the other tasks are all easy to perform. I can do a valve check on either my R1200GSA or Spousal Unit's R1200GS from start to finish in less time than it takes to get the valve cover off my old FJR. Adjusting the valves is also far easier on the BMW from what I can tell, although in 80K combined miles I've never had to adjust the valves on either bike. The cost of maintaining either bike is mostly due to what the shop labor rate is at the servicing dealer. Around where I live the Yamaha dealer and the BMW dealer are within $10 of each other. The BMW does call for a valve check every 12,000 miles, so about twice as often as the FJR.

I enjoy riding my GSA more than I did my FJR, which I also liked a great deal. To me the GSA handles better, is not as cumbersome at low speeds and has much better ergonomics. There is no doubt that the FJR is the gold standard for reliability. I never had any problems with my FJR in the 45K miles i had it. I've owned BMWs since 1980 and have had very good luck with them. With the 15 or so BMWs we have owned the only significant issues we've had were a software glitch on SU's GS which was intially misdiagnosed and more recently the driveshaft on my GSA is showing signs of problems.

BMW evidently his enamored with new technology. My three year old bike has shift assist so it shifts without the clutch or coming off the throttle, hill assist making it easier to start on a steep incline (handy off road) and the 1250s have variable cam timing.

It is a shame that Yamaha appears to be unwilling to do the work to keep the FJR compliant with environmental regulations. I'm sure it comes down to money.
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Skippy, I always assume humorous intent when I see posts like yours, so I get it.
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Thanks, Robin!!

And I love your avatar! Being a displaced Marylander, myself!
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Nah... I mean, if you've got the money, and don't mind getting fleeced for service ($285 for an OIL CHANGE [forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?96797-R-1250-GS-6000-Mile-Service])... I guess.

I'd rather have my 2020 FJR - and I could buy a good used 2015+ FJR for the same money...

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Just looked in my owners' manual. The redline on these bikes changes with the engine temperature. When the engine reaches full operating temp, the redline no longer moves. FYI...
Correct. As per my post on pg. 2 of the thread, this is exactly how the red line works. The photo provided in the thread must've been taken by the photographer as he just turned on the ignition to fire up the TFT and get its beautiful, class-leading full-color display, took his shot, and then shut it back down.

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