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In my personal experience, I've never been belittled or snarkily insulted for what I ride except at Harley dealerships. The arrogant attitude from the sales people and the rabidly faithful customers have left me with a slight disgust for all things Harley. I'm sure the bikes are fine, I just don't want to be associated with that crowd. I bought my first FJR at a Harley dealership and it was like I was taking a dead rat off their hands. Their parting words were "when you get tired of that rice burner, come back and buy a real motorcycle." LOL Ah, yes. Good times.

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In my personal experience, I've never been belittled or snarkily insulted for what I ride except at Harley dealerships. The arrogant attitude from the sales people and the rabidly faithful customers have left me with a slight disgust for all things Harley. I'm sure the bikes are fine, I just don't want to be associated with that crowd. I bought my first FJR at a Harley dealership and it was like I was taking a dead rat off their hands. Their parting words were "when you get tired of that rice burner, come back and buy a real motorcycle." LOL Ah, yes. Good times.
Can you imagine the guy trading the FJR in for a harley. They must have given him $1 in chrome credit for the FJR. When you bought it, it was pure profit for them. But they were too stupid to realize that....and then they say that to you.

I also have had similar experience in Indy at a Harley Davidson / Honda dealer on 96th street. No longer there, out of business I believe. I was interested in a Honda ST at the time. They didn't have one, weren't interested in getting one, and, as long as I wasn't interested in a Harley, they really weren't interested in me. It was an interesting dealership. NONE of their harley's on the floor were sold brand new. They would put very few miles on a new bike, chrome it up and sell them for 10k over sticker price. They didn't like me after I was in there initially looking for Honda as I explained they were in absolute violation of HD sales policies by doing that. Problem was at the time, all Harley dealers were doing that. I wonder if anyone buys a Harley with "0" miles on it as was my FJR and all the bikes I've brought brand new.

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Man . I have never had the experience you guys had. One of the big Harley players here puts on a toys for tots ride every year where they collect toys and and we all ride to the Brenners Childrens Hospital and distribute them..Couple thousand bikes ranging from Fancy Beemers to retro 70's Hondas, Awesome way to spend the day. I know when my buddy bought his 1200rt he looked at several harleys and we stepped in probably 4 different shops while I was riding the FJR.. Never a quirky remark or anything and we did get free lunch at one of them.

On the other Hand the Kawasaki / Suzuki dealer I bought my FJR at were pretty snarky and rude when I came in trying to get tires for my Uly once.

It is kinda funny that I see the same behavior that the Harley Crowd is supposedly guilty of come across these threads from time to time.
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Ditto Ron's sentiments. I think a lot of it is where you guys are. For me, my local HD dealerships are regular pit stops for a quick pee and water. They always say hi and they always come out to chat about my bike for a minute or two. Even when there's a crowd everyone is very nice and cheerful in the parking lot. Not like nearly every Jap bike place I go- those people suck ass. And that's why I typically buy my general accessories (like battery tender) from HD places.

One thing that's glaring to me is the behavior of people riding. Around here in the Carolinas, bikers wave to bikers no matter what you or they are on. Sport bikers chat all the time with cruiser guys. I get young and old alike coming over to the gas pump to look and speak. Heck, an old guy in a Maserati came over a few weeks ago and we had a nice yak session. Didn't let me drive his car though! But not in places like Delmarva or New Jersey or urban Maryland or metro D.C. Nobody is friendly on the road, nobody waves. Growing up with bikes in NW NJ I find it hard to understand as we always waved all the time. No more. To me it's not a Harley thing, it's a grumpy rider thing. Yoose guys need to lighten up! Change the world one wave at a time.

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Man . I have never had the experience you guys had. One of the big Harley players here puts on a toys for tots ride every year where they collect toys and and we all ride to the Brenners Childrens Hospital and distribute them..Couple thousand bikes ranging from Fancy Beemers to retro 70's Hondas, Awesome way to spend the day. I know when my buddy bought his 1200rt he looked at several harleys and we stepped in probably 4 different shops while I was riding the FJR.. Never a quirky remark or anything and we did get free lunch at one of them.

On the other Hand the Kawasaki / Suzuki dealer I bought my FJR at were pretty snarky and rude when I came in trying to get tires for my Uly once.

It is kinda funny that I see the same behavior that the Harley Crowd is supposedly guilty of come across these threads from time to time.
There is a huge charity thing I did in Fayetteville, NC a couple times called Hogs And Rags. We met up and everyone's chatty. We ride to a big ranch where tents are set up and they feed us breakfast and we get to admire the machinery. Both times there was one sporty bike out of a couple hundred- mine. And I never once felt out of place. Mostly guys waxed poetic and pined for the Jap bikes of their youth. This is a huge charity in the area so we had Sheriffs and State Assembly people and US Congress people and on and on as our servers. No sh!t talking, no speeches, just good food and fine, fine machinery. And we had a police escort all the way to North Myrtle Beach where we got lunch. Can you imagine shutting down US Hwy 17 North in North Myrtle? What a hoot!
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I've never really seen it as serious, though. We all mess with each other, but only very rarely have I seen some super redneck Harley guy pull the "unamerican jap bike rider" card or something derogatory.
And most everyone else recognizes that that guy is a moron, so you just laugh it off.
99% of riders don't really care (at least from what I've seen).
It's sorta like the "Chevy vs. Ford" debate..... just fun to talk a little smack sometimes. 😁

And I've been on many benefit rides for years (mda, VA hospital, DC homeless shelters, salvation army, etc) and i think maybe people tone it down a tad for benefits? Lol
I actually had a Harley chapter come to my house and hand deliver an HD MDA pin after a benefit ride I did. My Honda was parked on the front porch and they thanked me and welcomed me to ride anyway, so? Pretty cool.
Some people are just a-holes. Not sure bike brand makes a difference.
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Yepper, I think it’s changed a bunch in the past years, back a hundred years or so ago it was more confrontational but really not these days, I’ve found the friendliest people on my rides to n-hampshire (1000mi) have mostly been on Harley’s, at rest stops they almost always come up and talk and are usually the people that wave, the biggest a-holes who never want to talk or wave are usually on a Goldwing or a new indian. And then there’s the anti-Harley a-holes that have preconceived ideas & notions that just aren’t valid anymore.

Now all that said I’ll add that there is a couple of Harley focus’d bike groups here in the area that I truly avoid, very radical & very violent just looking for a reason to confront. But quite frankly the ****’s Angels local chapter ain’t one of those. Even though I realize that they are into a lot of illegal stuff most of those guy’s are pretty mellow & just seem to enjoy bikes. My .02

Opinions & tastes are why we have so many choices on this sport/life style, part of why it took me so long to decide on a fjr back when I bought my 14a, just lot’s of great bikes out there to satisfy your wants & desires. Now go take that bike (whatever it is) for a ride, get your smile on !

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Every year there is a benefit ride for the local Benedictine school for the disabled. It's called the Chrome City Ride. 99.9% Harleys, but it's great fun (albeit loud). Much like what Russ posted, we get a police escort from Annapolis, MD to the school in Ridgely, MD. They shut down US 50 the whole way, including the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Definitely no attitudes there. Sometimes the officers that ride BMW's will make cracks about the ones riding Harleys. All in fun though.

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Yesterday while out riding with my buddy who had recently picked up an FJR we had a less than positive interaction with a HD rider. There is a motorcycle event going on in our area called "Hogrock", largely an HD event. We weren't going to the event and really weren't all that close to it but folks come from all over to attend. We were cruising along minding our own business when they passed us, no problem. When we pulled up to the stop light we pulled in behind them. This a four lane highway with a stop light in the middle of no where, btw. They take off giving it all they had, so we keep up for fun, honestly as you all know we could have smoked them if we wanted too but we weren't trying to race anyone just got on it for fun. Guess the guy with the ape hangers didn't like it and he flipped us the bird. I shook my head and laughed to myself my buddy was doing the same thing. We laughed it off yesterday, twenty years ago there would have been a brawl at the next intersection but we are older and wiser these days.

I know there are D bags that ride all brands but yesterdays experience doesn't do much to help my image of HD riders.

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