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Seriously though I continue to be amazed at how few Harley owners know how or actually work on their own bikes, most take their bikes to the dealers for things as simple as an oil change,, unbelievable !
I tried to change the oil in an 883 once. Owner didn't know how. And without a manual I wasn't certain enough about what to do. Apparently a hose has to be removed, but its not marked.

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I used to think loud pipes was BS. Obnoxious pipes, I have no use for. But I've experienced loud pipes minimally making the drivers around him/her more aware that there is a bike somewhere close by. The volume draws the driver to search for the source, thereby identifying the rider.

I had a bright red Interceptor, stock pipes, was nearly hit multiple times, pulling out in front of me, invading my lane with me in it, etc.

I bought a Ducati, put Termignoni pipes on it, you can literally watch drivers turn their heads when I'm in their vicinity. "Save's lives"? Maybe. Make the rider more obvious to drivers? Definately.

Harley doesn't have a prayer with that electric bike. It'll be the biggest failure in their history.

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Owner didn't know how.
Here's a quick and general overview for Harley guys: https://youtu.be/DO2pTc5FYWo

Yeah, it's an old video but it's still useful.

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Since this is a post about "electric" read "silent" bikes, perhaps talking about "loud pipes save lives" is appropriate.

I agree with Lucas that when you are riding in a traffic column with cagers, it could help to have loud pipes, {though, having watched a BUNCH of "loud pipe" riders sift through traffic like they lived in California and were riding on the Autobahn, I can't see that most cagers ever get time to find out where that guy is} and I avoid riding in those "clumps" of cagers I find on the interstate when possible, but I do acknowledge that there are times you cannot avoid it, traffic is just too thick.

My point is that MOST of us who are killed by cagers are run into from behind at a light, or the cager turns left in front of us, or the cager pulls out from a road to our right.

In none of those three crucial times are loud pipes going to make a difference, in my opinion.
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THE problem was price....with this caveat. An electric bike with a range of 130 miles is only going to be used as a commuter bike. For me, a 130 mile ride does not even qualify as a “ride”. My shortest route is 150 miles. You’re just not going to find many people willing to pay $30,000 for a commuter bike when you can but a decent car for that much money.

I am not bashing Harley....for a change. I give them credit for developing the bike. But their success with bikes out of their core market is horrible. Think Buell, MV, EBC, V-Rod.....

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If the ZERO electric bike is available now and with almost the same specs for $20K, does Harley really think their name is worth $10k more?

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If the ZERO electric bike is available now and with almost the same specs for $20K, does Harley really think their name is worth $10k more?
Yes.

And why would they think otherwise? Pick pretty much any article of clothing or gear at a Harley Dealership and compare the price to an identical item that does not have the Harley logo on it. That Harley logo is worth some serious money.
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Yes.

And why would they think otherwise? Pick pretty much any article of clothing or gear at a Harley Dealership and compare the price to an identical item that does not have the Harley logo on it. That Harley logo is worth some serious money.
The Harley rider is an image, much the same as "The Marlboro Man," was an image. The problem lies in the fact that for the tattooed tough guy Harley image, and the countless dentist, and stockbroker posers, wannabees, - well that electric sewing machine just doesn't fit the image.

That leaves only "new riders." That would be millenials and Gen Z, but do they really think these folks are going to spend $30 grand on a bike?

WOW - this is going to be worse than the Edsel.
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That Harley logo is worth some serious money.
I guess you're right... for those that drank the Kool-Aid.

I went to an HD dealer once to buy a pair of riding gloves. Silly me. Every item in that place had the Harley logo on it.

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The motorcycle manufacturer has stopped production and deliveries of its first electric bike after discovering an issue with the charging equipment, according to The Wall Street Journal. In a memo seen by the WSJ, Harley told dealers it doesn't know when deliveries will restart.

Gee, I bet those $30K Live Wires were just flying off the showroom floors. Harley would do better making $2500 mobility scooters for its aging ridership.

I bet the Live Wire is primarily a technology demonstrator to test the market.




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I have a friend with one of those fancy BMW cars. He can adjust the "engine sound" through the car speakers to make it sound more sporty - completely ridiculous, but this is a solution for our HD friends that require "loud pipes" on their electric bikes. The 12 inch sub will take a little room but will certainly save lives!

Especially if you put it on the front of the bike somewhere.


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I tried to change the oil in an 883 once. Owner didn't know how. And without a manual I wasn't certain enough about what to do. Apparently a hose has to be removed, but its not marked.

I know where the oil tank on a Sportster used to be (in the '70s). You mean there wasn't a drain plug on it?

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