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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-23-2019, 11:04 PM Thread Starter
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Yamalube what the heck?

I use Yamalube full synthetic in my FJR and MT-10. For the past few years Yamalube’s full syn has been 15-50. If you asked about 10-40 you were told 15-50 superseded 10-40. Picked up a case of Yamalube Full Syn today and they gave me 10-40. I said no I need the 15-50, they said it’s been replaced (superseded) by 10-40 and there is no longer 15-50. I’m ok with it but you think Yamalube might want to make up their minds about this? There is a new Yamalube GP racing oil that’s $20 a quart if you want it but it only comes in 15-50! What the heck?
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found this out today as well. 10-40 it is.

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hmmm interesting...Yamaha Canada is still showing the 15w-50 synthetic, but it may just be that the website hasn’t been updated.
I would shy away from running anything branded as “race oil” on the street as it may not be well suited to normal street motorcycle drain intervals.
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Don't get sucked into the marketing B.S.!!!
Yamaha does not refine engine oil. It is provided from one of the very few major producers. Probably determined by whoever comes up with the lowest minimum specification price. You can research oil forever and what you will ultimately determine is most of it is marketing B.S.
"Motorcycle" specific oil does not exist. There are dozens of oil products that will more than adequately protect you FJR.
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Don't get sucked into the marketing B.S.!!!
Yamaha does not refine engine oil. It is provided from one of the very few major producers. Probably determined by whoever comes up with the lowest minimum specification price. You can research oil forever and what you will ultimately determine is most of it is marketing B.S.
"Motorcycle" specific oil does not exist. There are dozens of oil products that will more than adequately protect you FJR.
Pick one, change it, ride,ride,ride. Don't get sucked into the marketing B.S.
I agree with your first part. But stating that there is no such thing as motorcycle specific, that goes against everything I’ve read forever. Because a motorcycle oil also lubricates the transmission gears and the clutch, it is formulated differently in terms of “friction modifiers”.

I’m not chemical engineer so I freely admit I’m going by what I’ve read. But I’ve read it in many credible sources, and it does pass the “makes sense” test. I should also say that I can believe that some oils can serve duty in both motorcycles and cars, but some oils should not be used in motorcycles.
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Never intended this as another oil thread but yes there are motorcycle specific oils. I agree that racing oil is different than “street” oil as the demands and criteria are quite different. Maybe it’s just marketing on Yamaha’s part but I do find it interesting or amusing that they switch back and forth. I used 15-50 because that was Yamalube/Yamaha’s “revised spec”. I’ve always believed you can’t go wrong with 10-40 in a water cooled engine so to me the “new revised spec” is no big deal. If anything in the future it may save me a few dollars because I can get Amsoil at the shop where I work at their cost. I don’t think the world will end if I switch from Yamalube to Amsoil or visa versa or what if please forgive me I mix a quart of one with the other! Again I didn’t intend this to be about brands or oil but about why is Yamalube constantly changing what they recommend we use in our bikes?
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BTW, for Gen1/2 that Yamalube recommendation was for 20W40... the lower viscosities now are what all vehicle manufacturers are going to for emissions purposes. Basically, put oil in your bike, that works with a wet clutch.....
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Perhaps this should be a lesson in that it doesn't much matter 10W-40 or 20W-50 or anything in between?

I put 0W-20 (as specified) in my Subaru.

Decades ago a coworker was an SAE member, received the SAE Journal, and loaned many copies to me. It was outrageous at the time but Ford and GM engineers co-published a paper which turned the understanding of lubrication and plain bearings upside down. Said they could lubricate better, longer life, less friction with 20-weight and even less. However the bearings needed to be designed for the less viscous oil. IIRC the tolerances are tighter, that they need turbulence or a shock wave.

So today when the manufacturer says 0W-20 I don't lose any sleep over it. It is much more than, "Management says make more MPG."
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I mean really...as long as it says motor oil on the bottle dump 'er in and all's well. Really though I like Motul 15w50 4T synthetic blend for the beemer and FJR.
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Motorcycle Specific oils are designed to work with a wet clutch. Energy Conserving (Automotive) has additives that often do not play well with a wet clutch.

I like to use Peanut Oil in my FJR. I always carry a skillet and matches with me on the bike. That way if I run over a tasty looking armadillo or opossum while riding I can simply drain a bit of the oil into the skillet, build a fire beside the road and fry up some Fresh Roadkill. Try doing that with Yamalube or Quaker State, it tastes terrible.

@JamesW it just so happens that I always substitute one quart of the Motul full synthetic in with my Yamalube when I change the oil. When I drain the old oil there is still some obvious red color to the used oil. I did this today when I changed Pop's oil. We have both noticed that the shifting remains butter smooth for the entire oil change interval, we used to notice an improvement in shifting after an oil change.
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