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post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 08-24-2018, 09:19 AM
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Let me ask you a couple of questions about darksiding. Been listening to these discussions for some time now, nobodies died or been hurt, so been giving some thought to going over.

How long does a car tire generally last ? What kind of quirks does it create or exhibit when Used. I’m thinking that you keep a separate mc tire and rim setup that you change to for what reason? I appreciate any input on this that you can give me since you’ve been darksiding as long as I can remember making you the “expert” thx

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Let me ask you a couple of questions about darksiding. Been listening to these discussions for some time now, nobodies died or been hurt, so been giving some thought to going over.
How long does a car tire generally last ? What kind of quirks does it create or exhibit when Used. I’m thinking that you keep a separate mc tire and rim setup that you change to for what reason? I appreciate any input on this that you can give me since you’ve been darksiding as long as I can remember making you the “expert” thx
First of all, I am by no means "an expert". I just know that it works for me with my riding style. So, to your questions:
For me, the original General G-Max As-03 lasted 28,xxx miles. The tire cost me $118 delivered and $25 to be installed. The Michelin Exalto I'll never know- I punctured the tire with 2- 3/8" holes. They plugged ok buy I won't put it back on. I expected to get at least 30k miles from it- there had been several reports of 40+k from Florida. Those are the only 2 car tires I've run so my experiences are limited. Unfortunately they are both discontinued so look around for a decent all season tire if you ride year round or, in the case of my General tire, a good tread patterned summer tire.

I did buy a spare rim thinking I'll swap to a m/c tire when in the mtns and a car tire for the coast but what I found is that swapping is not necessary. The spare rim with the m/c tire sat in the shop unused for a long time. In fact, I put it back on just this week due to the punctures. The c/t does fine for me wherever I go. I am by no means a canyon carver, I don't hang off my seat and I don't throw my knee out expecting to drag it on the pavement. I do scrape a peg once in a while but also, to relieve tension on my aged hips, I have peg lowerers installed.

The c/t in general does several things different IMO while riding. First, it requires more pressure to lean. To me this is easy to overcome as I am generally a lazy guy and can lean on something with the best of 'em. Second, and this can be quite disconcerting at first, is the tendency of the car tire to want to be in the bottom of a rut. It's like a magnet, it has to be there. Even riding down the interstate, if it has a slight rut from trucks, I can ride no-handed for an hour. The bike will always self-correct to stay in perfect position in that lane. It can be fought a little and ridden out of the rut (like on a rainy day) but then it's like riding in a stiff cross wind, leaning the whole way. You get used to it. Third, the c/t requires a bit more angle to get over "the lip". Like uneven pavement , one lane is higher than the other, etc. The m/c tire gets a little squirrely sometimes. The c/t tire amplifies that so I just swing a wider curve at hit it at a sharper angle. Fourth, the two c/t's I've run behaved totally different from each other on dirt roads. The Michelin is extremely "slick", like ridng on ice. Literally, I've ridden on frozen lakes in my youth and I swear, it's just like ice. What a hoot! The ass end sliding around like a dirt bike in sand! The General was like riding on a deeply rutted road, it was a battle sometimes but it was overall much easier to ride on dirt. Fifth, when I encountered a foot plus of loose sand, the front tire dug in like a mole. But the c/t floated on top and refused to sink, even with a spinning tire it just plowed the bike on through. Couldn't steer worth a **** but I got out!

Of course YMMV. I'm good with it. ronheater1970 posted some observations after riding with me here -> https://www.fjrowners.com/forums/15-...-tires-12.html and https://www.fjrowners.com/forums/9-f...dark-side.html
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Thanks Russ for your inputs.

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Hi All,
The job is done! I made a brake bar and put on a General Tire Altimax RT43.
Just finished up a 40 mile test ride with a few high speed twisties and all is well!
Running 34 PSI cold. Thanks for all of your input. You ever ride near Santa Fe, look me up!
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The more I try to ride this bike like a sport bike, the more this seems like an appropriate mod. I almost did that last tire, but still like the twisties once in a while, otherwise it's 90% commuting superslab...

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The more I try to ride this bike like a sport bike, the more this seems like an appropriate mod. I almost did that last tire, but still like the twisties once in a while, otherwise it's 90% commuting superslab...
You'd be surprised how well a car tire performs in the twisties.
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The more I try to ride this bike like a sport bike, the more this seems like an appropriate mod. I almost did that last tire, but still like the twisties once in a while, otherwise it's 90% commuting superslab...
Once you find the right tire pressure that works for you, I also think you will be surprised!
I love to ride twistiest roads I can find and the darkside tire is as good as, or better than the best sport tire I have ever used.
I also do lots of twisties with my Goldwing that has the after market Traxxion Dynamics suspension and a car tire. It is like a larger version of the FJR.
The darkside is not for everyone, but sure works well for me!
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The job is done! I made a brake bar and put on a General Tire Altimax RT43.
Just finished up a 40 mile test ride with a few high speed twisties and all is well!
Running 34 PSI cold. Thanks for all of your input. You ever ride near Santa Fe, look me up!
Ride safe................Jeff
What size did you use? IIRC I could not find this to fit.

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What size did you use? IIRC I could not find this to fit.
(205/50R17) Fit perfect! Here is a link to Tire Rack: (https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes)

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I'm wondering if the MC tire industry has advanced a bicycle tire to suit a motorcycle rather than adopting a more industrial foundation to suit the application. MC tires have always been a bane ever since I started riding. I barely got 4k miles on the very first tire I ever bought, and the dealer literally laughed at me when I pointed out the limited treadwear warranty when looking for a replacement.

BTW, I recently installed 1" tires on my ebike MTB conversion as apposed to the fat MTB tires that were on it. They do not perform at all and seem dangerous.

My FJR front tire seems way too small. The front pushes and slips and drops always.

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