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I wonder how WIX compares to Mahle? Only because the Mahle name seems to come up on every oil and filter post. And at what point are we just splitting hairs for the fun of it😊
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HiFlo is a good choice. I inquired about the RC vs standard and the longer filter. Here is the response from HiFLo
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The 204 and 204RC have different media. The RC has a more advanced media that has a higher capture % (and higher capture of fine particles) at the same flow rate vs. the normal 204.

Using the HF148 will void the warranty. 148 is a completely different filter with different flow rate and is not approved for use on your bike.

I hope this helps.

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WIX makes good filters. They are an OEM supplier for some vehicles.
And they're black.

Wix is near the top of my list when I buy filters, but as others have said, there are lots of good filters.

I don't use Yamaha filters because our local dealer is very expensive on everything. I'm not going to make a special trip into town to pay too much for a filter that's no better than the Wix I can get at the neighborhood parts store.

There are all sorts of oil filter comparisons on Youtube. Frams don't generally fare very well at all. Maybe they're good enough, but for a few dollars difference in the price of an oil change I won't be using them.

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There are all sorts of oil filter comparisons on Youtube. Frams don't generally fare very well at all. Maybe they're good enough, but for a few dollars difference in the price of an oil change I won't be using them.
Fram's detractors don't actually run oil through the filter before making conclusions. They disassemble new filters and complain about what they see. If they wanted my respect they would be disassembling used filters. If the construction techniques they complain about are defective then the filters will fall apart in use. Over the decades a few lots of Fram filters have collapsed in use but that is not unexpected of anything with millions of units in use. And with millions in use we hear about the few that fail.

With cartridge filters we don't have to disassemble the filter. We see it before and after whether we like it or not. Am glad to see the resurgence of messy cartridge oil filters.

The tell for which I dislike Fram is how they were one of the first on, and last off the Teflon/PTFE bandwagon. Teflon/PTFE has no place as an engine oil additive. It simply does not work, and good chance of doing harm. My opposition is that Fram's management was clueless and ignored what their engineers told them. Conditions are not met in an engine for Teflon/PTFE to bond to the bearings as claimed by Marketing. Since, some have theorized the heat of combustion will break down Teflon into component parts including fluorine and HF, hydrofluoric acid. Theory is HF might etch the cylinder walls and improve the ability to retain a layer of motor oil of older engines. But it is only a theory. And not something one would want occurring in one's engine.
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Well said, N4HHE. But because of my 2013 Toyota, I am not glad to see the resurgence of messy cartridge oil filters

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HiFlo is a good choice. I inquired about the RC vs standard and the longer filter. Here is the response from HiFLo
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The 204 and 204RC have different media. The RC has a more advanced media that has a higher capture % (and higher capture of fine particles) at the same flow rate vs. the normal 204.

Using the HF148 will void the warranty. 148 is a completely different filter with different flow rate and is not approved for use on your bike.

I hope this helps.

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I have used the HF148 many times with no apparent detrimental effects. Back in the day HiFlo Filtro recommended that filter for our engines.

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Fram's detractors don't actually run oil through the filter before making conclusions. They disassemble new filters and complain about what they see. If they wanted my respect they would be disassembling used filters. If the construction techniques they complain about are defective then the filters will fall apart in use. Over the decades a few lots of Fram filters have collapsed in use but that is not unexpected of anything with millions of units in use. And with millions in use we hear about the few that fail.

With cartridge filters we don't have to disassemble the filter. We see it before and after whether we like it or not. Am glad to see the resurgence of messy cartridge oil filters.

The tell for which I dislike Fram is how they were one of the first on, and last off the Teflon/PTFE bandwagon. Teflon/PTFE has no place as an engine oil additive. It simply does not work, and good chance of doing harm. My opposition is that Fram's management was clueless and ignored what their engineers told them. Conditions are not met in an engine for Teflon/PTFE to bond to the bearings as claimed by Marketing. Since, some have theorized the heat of combustion will break down Teflon into component parts including fluorine and HF, hydrofluoric acid. Theory is HF might etch the cylinder walls and improve the ability to retain a layer of motor oil of older engines. But it is only a theory. And not something one would want occurring in one's engine.
N4, are you a Fram employee ? You seem to really take up the Fram bandwagon, it is your right and opinion.

As far as the Teflon thing goes I totally agree, no place in an engine at all, in fact 20+ years ago when the Teflon additive thing was big I added it (can’t remember the name, common problem these days) to some of my freshly built engines and within a couple of hundred miles completely locked up a couple of wrist pins not a good additive at all.

As far as Fram goes, just too many things add up to Fram just sucking, but I do agree that they should cut “used” filters apart. My.02

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N4, are you a Fram employee ? You seem to really take up the Fram bandwagon, it is your right and opinion.
Never worked for Fram, its parent company, or any automobile components manufacturer.

As a retired engineer my point is that how the filter works is all that really matters. Cardboard end panels is fine by me if it works, after all the filter media is paper so what is the complaint about cardboard being in there too? Mere moral consumers have no practical way of measuring how small of a particle the filter will capture but if we cut the filters open after use we can see if the media collapsed or tore. This is required of aviation oil filter cans, mostly looking for engine parts.

If company management is so stupid as to put timed-release Teflon/PTFE in their "premium" oil filters then they have lost my trust. There are too many good oil filter options from companies with smarter management.

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N4, totally agree. I worked in engineering for Allied-Signal/ Bendix Brakes before being sold to Bosch, allied owned Fram & Autolite as well and the philosophy passed down from the CEO (Larry Bossidy) was make it look classy and charge a premium price but take all the cost out that you can, they built crap product.

And while I agree that it’s more important to inspect a used filter, consistently new Fram filters that are pulled apart have a lot of internal rust and the cardboard end caps typically are not fastened well to the filter media and usually loose in spots and at one point used a cardboard anti-drain back valve who's sole purpose is to keep oil in the motor to avoid a dry start up which is when the vast majority of damage is done to an engine. Cheap cardboard has no place inside an engine.

I also like you have a 2016 Outback-and the filter mounting concerns me because the Subaru rattles-on start-up (theyall do)which is typical of a dry start & like you have found little oil when changing the filter although the Mobil1 1m-110 filters that i’ve Been using lately seem to do a good job of keeping the filter full w/o leaking down. This is a big part of why I use the same filter on the fjr. And no cardboard. I may use a Wix next time, we’ll see.

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Fram should have eliminated the cardboard one IMHO just for image purposes. The end caps are extremely well glued on, have to destroy them to get them apart. The next line up UltraGard is more what we like to see, don't get the cheapie.

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