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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 05-18-2017, 08:31 PM Thread Starter
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Unhappy Neutral to 1st gear kills engine

I have a 2014 FJR 1300 with 22k miles. In neutral, I can start the bike, but as soon as I try to shift into 1st gear, it kills the engine. The clutch level doesn't seem to do anything. As a precaution, I just bleed the clutch line to make sure no air got into the line (which was full and pretty clean).

I did notice that it did the same thing in the middle of the winter when I had an opportunity to take it for a ride, however, the second attempt worked - whatever it was, it didn't come back until I unwrapped the bike a few weeks ago.

If I try to start the bike while in first gear and the clutch level compressed, the bike starts walking forward. The same occurs in 2nd & 3rd. I assume it would be the same for 4th & 5th.

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Does it die if you put it in 1st on the center stand? Or is it dying because the clutch isn't fully releasing - as if you just jammed it into 1st with no clutch? Does it 'crunch' into gear? The hydraulic clutches can be a bit tricky to bleed properly. You may need to bleed it again with a MightyVac.

My 1st thought before you mentioned the clutch was the kick stand switch.
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Kickstand switch would be my first check.
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I just put it on the center stand and started it up in neutral. I pulled in clutch lever and shifted it into 1st gear with a cluck and the back wheel starts spinning, while my clutch lever is still pulled in.

I'm not sure how the clutch plates work on this model, but it does seem like the pressure is taken off of the plates as I pull in the clutch lever.
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Can you stop the wheel. It is normal for the wheel to spin even tho the clutch is engaged but easy stopped.

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Nope, it's fully engaged. If I shift it back into neutral, I can stop the wheel.
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Nope, it's fully engaged. If I shift it back into neutral, I can stop the wheel.
Clutch isn't dis-engaging and that could be a number of things, all easily checked.

Air in clutch hydraulics.

Clutch lever not traveling far enough ... mechanical. Check bush in lever.

Clutch plates sticky ... strip, clean, oil, re-assemble.

Bad master or slave cylinder.

Missing ball bearing ... highly unlikely.
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Just sounds like the clutch plates are stuck, dry. You might be able to just rock it back and forth and break them free. Taking the clutch apart is not hard to do, but takes a little time and effort.
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Nope, it's fully engaged. If I shift it back into neutral, I can stop the wheel.
It almost seems that the clutch is not engaging. As if you never pull the clutch lever in. Just a dump into the gear. As if there is a disconnect of the clutch (brake) fluid. This would be above my knowledge. I have a '14 also, but, besides bleeding the fluid, never done a clutch job on the FJR...yet.

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I have a 2014 FJR 1300 with 22k miles. In neutral, I can start the bike, but as soon as I try to shift into 1st gear, it kills the engine. The clutch level doesn't seem to do anything. As a precaution, I just bleed the clutch line to make sure no air got into the line (which was full and pretty clean).

I did notice that it did the same thing in the middle of the winter when I had an opportunity to take it for a ride, however, the second attempt worked - whatever it was, it didn't come back until I unwrapped the bike a few weeks ago.

If I try to start the bike while in first gear and the clutch level compressed, the bike starts walking forward. The same occurs in 2nd & 3rd. I assume it would be the same for 4th & 5th.

Any ideas?
Thanks,
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1- most bikes are equipped with ' interact ' switches result safety fanatics
1 is located in the transmission
another at the kickstand
another at the clutch
be certain they are clean [ last 2 will get dirty ]
spritz with ' contact cleaner ' or WD40 will usually do
not a lot ................simply a spritz

if you can ride the bike & get it going
find an area with little to no traffic
ride downhill at moderate speed with clutch lever all the way to handle
in gear

will rinse & separate clutch plates
if you feel ANY binding then its Very indicative of issues

unlikely the trans switch or the clutch plates are bad

it is possible the other switches need cleaning
no less the slave cylinder that responds to the clutch lever
is not working properly
some have recommended bleeding etc

bike should start when warm without clutch drag
in 1st gear
kickstand up
clutch lever All the way to handle bar [the 1 thru 4 adjustment i believe wont allow on some numbers ]

stone cold its Normal to get clutch drag
the bike will surge foward for a moment
against the starter ........ actually rather normal
doesnt hurt a thing

so clean the switches
use the #1 adjustment on the clutch
drift a ways clutch in engine running........stop
switch off.......then see if it will crank 1st gear clutch in




good luck
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