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post #1 of 47 (permalink) Old 03-17-2017, 10:33 AM Thread Starter
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My first useful post here.
Most places I ride and hang out I am not concerned with theft of anything. Shoot I have not seen my house keys in 30 years and if you want to borrow my truck, well you get the idea. Just not a problem around here. An exposed key in the ignition may be a temptation, what if that key did not look like a key?
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Saddlebags, what a pain to have to move the key around every time you want to get into the bag. Just make a knob and leave me the option of locking if I choose to.
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If you choose to secure everything just remove the two saddlebag key knobs and the ignition knob to stow in the left cubby hole where you will keep a stock key that fits in pocket easier.

Thumb of knobs I started with, just try to keep it about that size so it clears the seat lock. Knob with a stud in it is ok, it will just twist out and make a nice pocket to place the JB weld in.

I went to the local lock shop and had a few spares made. For the ignition you will need to cut the ears off so it will be long enough to modify. On the ignition make sure you allow enough length when cutting the key down to activate the fork lock.

Pick whatever knobs suit you but make sure you have maybe 1/4 inch pocket to place the JB weld in. I heated the key a smidge to melt it into the knob then dabbed the JB weld in. Let it set overnight and in the morning cure in a pan of hot (not boiling) water to finish the strengthening. If you do not heat cure allow to cure 24 hours for strength.

Overall a nice little project, looks good and adds convenience. I have maybe 7 bucks all in. I had those knobs laying about but you can buy some on Amazon or Flea Bay, or local hardware.
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Yup, this idea has made the cycle through the forums a few times, and it is a good one. I've been using a knobbed key for the luggage for a few years. If you leave the key in a pannier while riding, as I do, it is a good idea to pull it out of the key hole one click so it won't vibrate to the unlocked position.

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And here I thought I was the first! I had not considered the unlocking itself problem. May have to re-think this....

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The ignition knob works only for US bikes, as Rest-Of-World has an immobilizer chip in the key. I was always concerned about the self-unlock for the luggage too so never did it on this bike as I did on my past bikes.

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And here I thought I was the first! I had not considered the unlocking itself problem. May have to re-think this....
Nah, many did this decades ago. And you should rethink this, people have un-locktited saddlebag screw lock coming loose and falling out from vibrations all the time. What makes you think the keys wouldn't vibrate to the 'open' position? You'd be lucky if the case just opened- worse would be if the release handle released and your case bounced down the road for a couple of hunnert feet.

Hope you remember to turn off the ignition all the time, since the key doesn't look like a key anymore. Jump starting can be a PITA.

And what's so hard about just carrying a second key to open/unlatch stuff? Oh, wait. You already are, in the glovebox. Why not just use it? This makes no sense, inviting people to steal your stuff. I understand your point of view completely and used to think the same way. Until a douche bag decided to help himself to about $10K of our stuff.

You really should rethink this. Your stuff, your choice. But IMHO it's a bad idea on a few different levels.

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Now a true key delete would be an RFID chip and controller for the ignition. That would be rethinking it.

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Nah, many did this decades ago. And you should rethink this, people have un-locktited saddlebag screw lock coming loose and falling out from vibrations all the time. What makes you think the keys wouldn't vibrate to the 'open' position? You'd be lucky if the case just opened- worse would be if the release handle released and your case bounced down the road for a couple of hunnert feet.

Hope you remember to turn off the ignition all the time, since the key doesn't look like a key anymore. Jump starting can be a PITA.

And what's so hard about just carrying a second key to open/unlatch stuff? Oh, wait. You already are, in the glovebox. Why not just use it? This makes no sense, inviting people to steal your stuff. I understand your point of view completely and used to think the same way. Until a douche bag decided to help himself to about $10K of our stuff.

You really should rethink this. Your stuff, your choice. But IMHO it's a bad idea on a few different levels.
Taking my stuff would not be recommended. No concealed carry needed.

No way to leave the key on, gee the instruments sort of light up when on and hey there is a light on the front or wait is the back on too and what is that strange noise that sounds like an engine?

Already working on a detent for the case latch, it ain't rocket science just need some time.

RFID would be way cool, I wonder if there is some existing tech that could be ported over. Might start looking into this just for grins if it does not warm up soon.

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Did a quick search and found this:

http://www.digitalguarddawg.com/moto...rity/dgd-kim-u

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I did this a good few thousand miles ago.

The key will not rotate on its own in a saddlebag lock. Indeed, I have to press the flap down quite hard to open the lock, even when I want it open.

I also have a tethered key permanently in the Givi Top Case lock. That one doesn't move either.
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Nice, I can see me clipping that thing to gear so it is always ready. 295 is tough though. That's a Santa item.

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